Gun Pr0n Thread, Add Yours.

[Zao]

I have never heard of a Glock 20 nor 10mm pistol rounds. Very interesting. I'll have to read up on the 10mm round more.

FBI basically put out the word back in the 50's (I think) that they wanted an auto round that would kill an amphitheater full of people with one round, just from the shockwave. The 10mm was born. It didn't really take off because it recoils like a motherfucker and is a little... difficult to control. 10mm FBI issue pistols were getting worn out absurdly fast and they decided it just might be a bit much for a service pistol round, so they said "Hey, give us similar performance in something that's manageable" and the .40S&W was born. The .40S&W is to the 10mm what the .380 auto/9mm kurz is to the 9mm parabellum. Basically, same caliber, but shorter overall cartridge length.

The 10mm still has a major cult following with (and this is not directed at Penguin, but just my experience in general so far) with little guys, or guys with tiny penises, or little guys with tiny penises. It was what the Desert Eagle was before the Desert Eagle existed. Magnum performance and ballistics in an auto. Now we have the .40S&W, .45 GAP and the .357 SIG to get a compromise performance in a smaller overall package, both for the round and the weapon firing it. The latter two have not proven as popular, and as a result, are pretty expensive to shoot.

[Zirconium Blade]

So does 10mm pack more of a punch than .45 or is it the other way around.

I love .45's ;_;

[Penguin]

FBI basically put out the word back in the 50's (I think) that they wanted an auto round that would kill an amphitheater full of people with one round, just from the shockwave. The 10mm was born. It didn't really take off because it recoils like a motherfucker and is a little... difficult to control. 10mm FBI issue pistols were getting worn out absurdly fast and they decided it just might be a bit much for a service pistol round, so they said "Hey, give us similar performance in something that's manageable" and the .40S&W was born. The .40S&W is to the 10mm what the .380 auto/9mm kurz is to the 9mm parabellum. Basically, same caliber, but shorter overall cartridge length.

For the most part, yeah. They wanted the high capacity that came with 9mms back when that was the Big Thing in Guns during the 1980s, but didn't want to give up the power of .45ACP. That idea didn't last long.

It wasn't just the fact that guns were wearing out, but also that they needed to accomodate agents with smaller hands (a typical problem with double-stack autos) and women (who also tend to have smaller hands as a rule). When firing 10mm, you definitely need to be able to keep a good grip. I get why they picked it, but it's really a bad idea as a general-issue weapon.


The 10mm still has a major cult following with (and this is not directed at Penguin, but just my experience in general so far) with little guys, or guys with tiny penises, or little guys with tiny penises. It was what the Desert Eagle was before the Desert Eagle existed. Magnum performance and ballistics in an auto. Now we have the .40S&W, .45 GAP and the .357 SIG to get a compromise performance in a smaller overall package, both for the round and the weapon firing it. The latter two have not proven as popular, and as a result, are pretty expensive to shoot.I've noticed that. Funny you should mention the Desert Eagle, though... You know the Jericho 941, what they call the Baby Eagle now? It was supposed to be able to change from 9mm to .41AE with a barrel swap, hence 941. Then .40S&W came out and the .41AE quickly died.


So does 10mm pack more of a punch than .45 or is it the other way around.

I love .45's ;_;

Depends on the loading, but generally the 10mm. That said, apparently a lot of 10mm ammo available is "soft-loaded" now due to the recoil issue, so it's no more powerful than .40S&W but much more expensive, so you can still say you're shooting a 10mm, and impress everyone with how you don't hit yourself in the face.

[Faceman]

Thanks for the history lesson, I've never heard anything about this before.

So what made you pick up the Glock 20 Penguin? Since you know about the history of the round and how expensive it is for loads that do not pack the wallop as before, it seems not the type of gun you'd want to pick up. Unless you have a little dick. Do you have a little dick Penguin? I don't care if you do, I won't think any less of you.

[Fenris Wolf]

My buddy used to have a Glock 20. It was fun to shoot and definitely let you know what it was shooting. He would actually use it at IDPA matches, somewhere we have a video of one of the spectators saying "holy shit, is he shooting 10mm?!" It's not really a practical round to fire a lot of unless you reload, and even then it's more of a check this out than anything else.

My .45 will do more than enough damage if it comes down to it. And probably stop after blasting what I want it to.

[Penguin]

So what made you pick up the Glock 20 Penguin? Since you know about the history of the round and how expensive it is for loads that do not pack the wallop as before, it seems not the type of gun you'd want to pick up.

It's been an odd fixation of mine for awhile. Finally caved to curiosity. Hyperbole aside, a $500 Glock shooting 10mm is still far more practical than a $1200 .44 Deagle.

Unless you have a little dick. Do you have a little dick Penguin? I don't care if you do, I won't think any less of you.

I'll have you know that I'm proud of my 18cm chode circumference, thank you very much!

[Faceman]

How did your bullet spread look on paper?

[Penguin]

How did your bullet spread look on paper?

After I got used to it, I could keep them in a fist-sized group at 15 yards. Better if I tried harder, but it wasn't the first gun I'd shot that day and my hands got shakey after fighting with those super-stiff Glock mags a couple times.

[CrazyTalk]

quick question, i bought and installed a mossberg heatshield on my maverick 88 , but then i noticed i forgot to put the heatshield spacer
does it matter if i have it on or not?

[Zao]

Won't shield too well if it's resting against the barrel.

[Invig]

What do you guys think about a Marlin 30-30?

[Zao]

I had a Marlin 1894 in .44 Mag that was fantastic, the action was slick as butter and it was stupid accurate. I sold it to buy my first M1. It was cheap and very nicely built for the money, which was around $350 IIRC. I would like to get a replacement for it at some point in .357 mag... to go along with the pair of Ruger New Vaqueros I plan to pick up in .357/.38. :D

Anyways, I hadn't kept up on Marlin in a while so I asked a friend who is a big Marlin fan. He said:

Marlin only exists in name and product at the moment. All the employees except for one manager were let go and production moved to Remington's Ilion facility and employees. They haven't quite learned how to make Marlin's products yet and the good to bad rate make Norinco look like Les Baer.So we might want to wait a bit or look at used Marlins. Either way, they used to make a great rifle. I'm sure they will again once Remington figures it out.

My Dad bought a handful of old rifles back when I was in highschool and one of them was a 1959 unfired Winchester 1894 in .30-30 in mint condition. We sat on that thing for a lot of years keeping it pristine until my Dad finally said "fuck it, let's shoot the thing." Most inaccurate piece of shit I've ever seen. And the action was clunky and not at all fun to work.

[Penguin]

.30-30 is basically an older, crappier 7.62x39 in terms of performance. Were you more interested in a lever-action or the round?

[Invig]

about 6 months ago I walked into a gun shop in Georgia and asked about buying a weapon in GA even though I am still considered a Washington state resident. I mentioned I was stationed on the east coast because of the army. The guy working told me I couldnt buy a firearm in Georgia. The other day I got bored shopping at wallmart with the girl friend so I walked over to the hunting section to look around. They had a picture of the different states that they could legally sell to and Washington is one of them. Anyway aside from shotguns and .22s and a couple Remmington 700s (which I would love to get some day) they had a Marlin 30-30 which caught my eye. My gun nut Floridean friend bought a .22 lever action with the wide John Wayne lever on it a few years back that I got to use. It was a lot of fun and pretty lolz worthy at the same time. Ive been interested in getting a lever action ever since. I believe the price range for the Marlin was about 350, which is a comfortable price range for me at the moment.

[Penguin]

Sounds good. .30-30 has been pretty much immortalized in America as the go-to deer cartridge, but that's because everyone and his brother has been using it since it came out.

[Invig]

What kind of accuracy can I expect? My experience with firearms consists of M4s. M249s, and M240Bs. Ive shot other firearms but when it comes to zeroing a weapon Im really anal. If I cant put a group down the size of a dime or smaller I get pretty pissed. Its probably why I just can't get into pistols I think. Is this a weapon thats gonna hit what I aim at or just come pretty close?

[Zao]

.30-30 is a hundred, maybe hundred and fifty yard gun. If you want a plinker in a pistol caliber, look at a Rossi 1892. You can get them in .357 magnum, it'll feed .38spl, and you can feed it a lot cheaper than a lever action in a rifle cartridge.

[Invig]

Hmm... maybe Ill just save up for the 700 and good scope. A good plinker would be fun but my real passion is long range shooting. What do you guys think would be the best caliber Remmington 700 for hunting and long range targets?

[Penguin]

Hmm... maybe Ill just save up for the 700 and good scope. A good plinker would be fun but my real passion is long range shooting. What do you guys think would be the best caliber Remmington 700 for hunting and long range targets?

Well, it's hard to beat .308 for availability and versatility. But how long do you want to go? .308 would be fine for 600, even up to 800 yards, but if you want to reach out to 1000, you'd want to start looking at something like .300 Win Mag. But pushing things past 600 yards and shooting accurately starts getting a hell of a lot more expensive, both in terms of ammunition and the rifles to shoot it with. Like, you'd have to spend a grand or more customizing your Remington, and ammo starts costing up to a dollar a shot, if not more.

[Faceman]

I own a Marlin 30-30. Shot it twice, maybe 10 rounds the most put through it. Was supposed to use it as a deer hunting rifle. Then my buddy who said I could go upstate with him to hunt did a 180 and took his father instead. What a dick.

Either way, I've only shot it at 50 yards so I can't really say much about it. Was pretty accurate at 50 I do remember.

[D.O.A]

Nickel Boron BCG came in. Sending out an two uppers and charging handles to get coated as well.
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2096/img2011101900162.jpg

[Zao]

Looks good. Who are you having do the uppers, and what coating did you decide to go with?

I'm getting my P229 done right now. Should have some interesting pics to show within the next month or so.

[RichyCunningham]

Nickel Boron BCG came in. Sending out an two uppers and charging handles to get coated as well.
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2096/img2011101900162.jpg

BCG = Birth Control Glasses?

[Penguin]

Bolt carrier group.

[D.O.A]

Looks good. Who are you having do the uppers, and what coating did you decide to go with?

I'm getting my P229 done right now. Should have some interesting pics to show within the next month or so.

www.wmdguns.com

Once I my other upper in, i'll send both out to get NIB coated. 4 week turn around time :(

[D.O.A]

Sights came in today. Now rifle is fully operational. Now for the final touches.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4206/sopmod2.jpg

[Face]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1m6Qct68wo&feature=player_embedded

[Stellar]

at first i read, "How to finger strip ashley"

[Azevedo]

Most recent addition:

http://i.imgur.com/MRIy1.jpg

[Zao]

A Nambu? Man, you have a thing for guns that are expensive to feed. :D

[Faceman]

Chinese? How much?

[Penguin]

Most recent addition:



I hope you didn't pay real money for that thing.

[Azevedo]

A Nambu? Man, you have a thing for guns that are expensive to feed.

Ha, I know. I don't go shooting too often as a result but I collect pieces here and there when I can.


Chinese? How much?

As far as I know it's a Japanese Type 14 1st Model Nambu. Total cost out the door was $650 I think.


I hope you didn't pay real money for that thing.

Why not? I hope I didn't get screwed. :x

[Penguin]

Only if you intend to load it. Eh, I suppose the Nambu's fine as a piece of history/display item, but any gun that'll go off if bumped, squeezed, or suggestively looked at isn't something I'd take to the range.

[AFG]

ive come a long way from having no firearms in 2008 to quite a lot these days lol.


https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=702098137612


https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=702087399132


https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=680886196512

[Penguin]

You're either gonna hafta change your privacy settings or re-upload that shit

[Azevedo]

Only if you intend to load it. Eh, I suppose the Nambu's fine as a piece of history/display item, but any gun that'll go off if bumped, squeezed, or suggestively looked at isn't something I'd take to the range.

I think that issue was only with the Type 94. Even if I had a Type 94 I wouldn't shoot it that often and would only load rounds when the muzzle was pointing in a safe direction.

[AFG]

You're either gonna hafta change your privacy settings or re-upload that shit

ah all of them dont work?

[Zao]

Vids weren't working earlier, they're working now.

YOU NEED TO GET SOME MAG CARRIERS. They're cheap. That fishing in your pocket shit needs to go.

[Penguin]

W4-h-Wx08kw

[Faceman]

Vids weren't working earlier, they're working now.

YOU NEED TO GET SOME MAG CARRIERS. They're cheap. That fishing in your pocket shit needs to go.

And I want to see him run faster. Maybe practice shooting on the left side also.

Good job otherwise.

[TylerDurden]

I wish I took some pictures, but the other day I had to get qualified in shooting the beretta m9 service pistol in high stress situations, moving from cover to cover firing at different targets. I rode in the van that had all the weapons, there were 16 fully automatic m16's and 3 m500 pump shotguns and 20 m9's. Since I've been in the military i've gotten to shoot lots of guns, very fun. I passed my course by the way. I'm a marksman with the m16 and a sharpshooter with the m9 now :D

i'm thinking of buying an m9, seeing how i've had lots of training on it and it's just a damn fine pistol.

That is all ......

:manji:

[Invig]

You're the first person I've ever heard say that about the M9. Look into other pistols and try them out, I'm sure you'll find something much better. Work on the M-16 more, the M-16 platform is our bread and butter in the U.S. military, you should be pissed if you shoot anything under expert. Buy an AR!

[Penguin]

I kinda like the M9. Decently accurate for a pistol and hardly seems to recoil. But I don't really care for the assembly/disassembly of it. Granted my only experience with it was familiarization in basic, so we didn't even qualify on it. Generally though, there are better options available on the civilian market, and the M9 is pretty expensive for what you get, especially if you buy new. If you want a 9mm I'd recommend trying out a few other guns like the CZ-75 first.

[TylerDurden]

okay okay I have to clear this up lol.

When I shot the m-16 to get my ribbon qualification it was out at sea. The ship was moving, it was windy and the sun was directly behind the target :manji:
In January I shoot the m16 again, this time on land. We'll see lol. I also get to do my low light for the m9.

That CZ-75 seems pretty cool, i'm going to the local gun range this sunday, they have a large selection of weapons to choose from, if they have that I'll try it out.

Honestly I just want an FN Five/Seven lulz. I'm a sucker for gimmicky type weapons, like the deagle.

[Zao]

The M9/92 is a good pistol, but it's awful large for a 9mm. If you get a chance to, try out a Sig P226 or P229. I own a P229 and it is absolutely the perfect size for a pistol and it just fucking works.

I've also been kicking around the idea of picking up a used Gen 3 Glock 19 for carry. I personally hate Glocks, but there's a shit-ton of used Gen 3's on the market now with all the police trade-in's because everyone's upgrading to the Gen 4. That, and after 9 months of carrying, I've determined that I want a cheap, reliable pistol that I could give a shit about taking care of. That sounds like a Glock to me.

Anyways, to me, it sounds like you're in love with shooting pistols. Try a bunch out before you buy. You may decide you like something else better, or it may affirm your love for the M9/9X platform. Either way, you come out on top.


In other news, I'm putting together an AR. Got a Spike's lower from my friend while I was in Florida. It has a Colt LPK in it, a Vietnam era A1 grip, and a CAR-15 stock on it. Whole thing has a round count of about 100, so it's basically brand new, minus the vintage parts. I have nine Veitnam era 20 round mags, most of them Colt, and four 30 round mags, two of them I got from a buddy who brought them back from Afghanistan. Trying to decide between a retro build, or what I really want, which is this, with an A2 stock and MOE + grip: http://palmettostatearmory.com/2243.php

I can practically hear DOA's jaw hitting his desk from here. I figured it was finally time to go ahead and join the dark side. After all, the shit I listed above was all given to me by a few various individuals. If all I have to do to get in the game is buy an upper and some ammo, well, that's a small entry fee.

[Bob The Third]

I'm up for my qualification exams tomorrow.. If I pass I'll be assigned a spot on one of these;
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/Dussellus/2a5dk.jpg

[Fenris Wolf]

The M9/92 is a good pistol, but it's awful large for a 9mm. If you get a chance to, try out a Sig P226 or P229. I own a P229 and it is absolutely the perfect size for a pistol and it just fucking works.

I've also been kicking around the idea of picking up a used Gen 3 Glock 19 for carry. I personally hate Glocks, but there's a shit-ton of used Gen 3's on the market now with all the police trade-in's because everyone's upgrading to the Gen 4. That, and after 9 months of carrying, I've determined that I want a cheap, reliable pistol that I could give a shit about taking care of. That sounds like a Glock to me.

Anyways, to me, it sounds like you're in love with shooting pistols. Try a bunch out before you buy. You may decide you like something else better, or it may affirm your love for the M9/9X platform. Either way, you come out on top.


In other news, I'm putting together an AR. Got a Spike's lower from my friend while I was in Florida. It has a Colt LPK in it, a Vietnam era A1 grip, and a CAR-15 stock on it. Whole thing has a round count of about 100, so it's basically brand new, minus the vintage parts. I have nine Veitnam era 20 round mags, most of them Colt, and four 30 round mags, two of them I got from a buddy who brought them back from Afghanistan. Trying to decide between a retro build, or what I really want, which is this, with an A2 stock and MOE + grip: http://palmettostatearmory.com/2243.php

I can practically hear DOA's jaw hitting his desk from here. I figured it was finally time to go ahead and join the dark side. After all, the shit I listed above was all given to me by a few various individuals. If all I have to do to get in the game is buy an upper and some ammo, well, that's a small entry fee.


Depending on what you want the gun for, you'll be much happier with the dissipator upper. Having that full length sight is much more comfortable, especially if you want to try any longer range shooting. Inside of 100 yards though, build it to make it pretty to you. My next AR is going to be chock full of MagPul parts...just trying to decide if it'll be in 5.56 or 5.45.


Tyler, if you like the M9, take a look at EAA Witness. They have a similar grip and shoot manly rounds. The CZ-75 is very similar. But once you shoot a 1911, you won't want anything else.

[Zao]

Depending on what you want the gun for, you'll be much happier with the dissipator upper. Having that full length sight is much more comfortable, especially if you want to try any longer range shooting. Inside of 100 yards though, build it to make it pretty to you. My next AR is going to be chock full of MagPul parts...just trying to decide if it'll be in 5.56 or 5.45.

Gotcha. I think I'm going to go ahead and save up to build my MOE rifle then. Really, what I want is this:
http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae296/fatkid35/magpul011.jpg

I always liked the A2 rifle look, but a 16" barrel would be handier. I also really like the MOE handguards over the round milspec guards and I hate collapsing stocks and I've shouldered a few A1 stocked rifles and they were too short, so A2 it is. In fact, every AR I've ever handled has me convinced that they're built for midgets and it'll take some getting used to once I have this thing put together. To give an idea, here's me with my carbine, which is about the size of an AR carbine.
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/mewithcarbine.jpg


But once you shoot a 1911, you won't want anything else.

Until you've shot a P220 or P226/229. Trust me on that. ;)

[Fenris Wolf]

Nope, The Prophet John Moses Browning was handed down a design by God himself when he built the 1911.

I much prefer a fixed stock over a collapsible myself, and if you scroll back a few pages or just google up some magpul stocks, you'll see a much nicer fixed than the A2. Granted it's pricey, but having the ability to adjust the length and cheek height to really fit you helps out a bunch.

[D.O.A]

The M9/92 is a good pistol, but it's awful large for a 9mm. If you get a chance to, try out a Sig P226 or P229. I own a P229 and it is absolutely the perfect size for a pistol and it just fucking works.

I've also been kicking around the idea of picking up a used Gen 3 Glock 19 for carry. I personally hate Glocks, but there's a shit-ton of used Gen 3's on the market now with all the police trade-in's because everyone's upgrading to the Gen 4. That, and after 9 months of carrying, I've determined that I want a cheap, reliable pistol that I could give a shit about taking care of. That sounds like a Glock to me.

Anyways, to me, it sounds like you're in love with shooting pistols. Try a bunch out before you buy. You may decide you like something else better, or it may affirm your love for the M9/9X platform. Either way, you come out on top.


In other news, I'm putting together an AR. Got a Spike's lower from my friend while I was in Florida. It has a Colt LPK in it, a Vietnam era A1 grip, and a CAR-15 stock on it. Whole thing has a round count of about 100, so it's basically brand new, minus the vintage parts. I have nine Veitnam era 20 round mags, most of them Colt, and four 30 round mags, two of them I got from a buddy who brought them back from Afghanistan. Trying to decide between a retro build, or what I really want, which is this, with an A2 stock and MOE + grip: http://palmettostatearmory.com/2243.php

I can practically hear DOA's jaw hitting his desk from here. I figured it was finally time to go ahead and join the dark side. After all, the shit I listed above was all given to me by a few various individuals. If all I have to do to get in the game is buy an upper and some ammo, well, that's a small entry fee.

Nice, and congrats. PSA is good to go and their assemblies are regarded as, dollar for dollar, the best bang for your buck. Spikes is quality as well.

Good luck on your assembly, and be sure to post pics :)

Some useless info: You lucked out on the Colt LPK. They retail twice as much as other LPKs. While the AR market is saturated with many manufacturers, Spikes and PSA are rivals.

[Penguin]

But once you shoot a 1911, you won't want anything else.

Unless you're like me and absolutely despise grip safeties.

[Zao]

Nope, The Prophet John Moses Browning was handed down a design by God himself when he built the 1911.

Ever shot a classic P series SIG? Some things have improved in the last 100 years. ;)


I much prefer a fixed stock over a collapsible myself, and if you scroll back a few pages or just google up some magpul stocks, you'll see a much nicer fixed than the A2. Granted it's pricey, but having the ability to adjust the length and cheek height to really fit you helps out a bunch.

That would be way down the road, if ever. I'm racking my brain trying to figure out how to sell enough accumulated shit just to make the upper happen.


Nice, and congrats. PSA is good to go and their assemblies are regarded as, dollar for dollar, the best bang for your buck. Spikes is quality as well.

Good luck on your assembly, and be sure to post pics :)

Some useless info: You lucked out on the Colt LPK. They retail twice as much as other LPKs. While the AR market is saturated with many manufacturers, Spikes and PSA are rivals.

Thanks, and I will definitely post some pics. I'd heard good things about both manufacturers and I like that it'll be an all-Florida rifle, as it were (minus the furniture).

[CrazyTalk]

So my front sight on my m44 fell off. Anyone know how to put it back on or know any links that will help?

[D.O.A]

Pics? Are you talking about the entire front sight tower, or just the front sight post?

[CrazyTalk]

yea the tower. i was walking back from the range and noticed it was pretty much all the way to the left. I lifted up the rifle to take a look and the damn thing fell on the ground. Good thing it didn't happen while i was walking through the grass

[D.O.A]

Go to your local hardware store and get a set of brass drift punches, mallet, and a small tube of JB weld (if you have these, great!).

With your front sight, apply JB weld in the areas where the dovetail sets inside the front sight base (if you need the JB weld thinner, mix it with acetone).

Pic reference. I marked the red areas where you would apply the JB weld on the front sight. Remember to apply along the dovetail lengthwise as well:
http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/585/mosin1.png
(I didn't want to hammer out my front sight, but you get the idea)

After you apply the JB weld to the front sight, take the brass punch and mallet, and hammer that sucker in. If your rifle maintained a zero since it was zeroed originally, then keep hammering the front sight until the notches on the front sight hood, and base line up:
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/1603/mosin2.jpg

Let the weld cure for about two days, and shoot the gun again. The weld should prevent the front sight from drifting out during firing. Let me know if this helps.

edit: The brass drift punches and mallet are for hammering the front sight in. If the front sight can slide in without the use of force, then you don't have to buy them. The M44 front sights by nature are stubborn as hell, and they require tools (punches and mallet) to be adjusted.

[Zao]

Wouldn't loc-tite green be a better, less permanent solution? If he uses JB weld and doesn't get it perfectly zeroed before it cures, he's fucked.

[D.O.A]

99 9% positive that the rifle maintained a factory zero, and no windage adjustments were made since. All he has to do is line up the witness notches. On the M44, ajustments to windage are done by extending the bayonet before hammering the frontsight

[D.O.A]

Messing around with my iPhone 4s settings. My Aimpoint comp M4s came in today.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5179/p013d.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9789/p011c.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4982/p012e.jpg

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3887/hdr2m.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6286/hdr1y.jpg

Gun is complete:
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7118/hdr4u.jpg

[Zao]

99 9% positive that the rifle maintained a factory zero, and no windage adjustments were made since. All he has to do is line up the witness notches. On the M44, ajustments to windage are done by extending the bayonet before hammering the frontsight

Well, as long as you're sure... :D

I've handled and fired a few Garands that were zeroed with the front sight well off center, and it wouldn't be a big stretch to imagine that a Russian military rifle might roll out the factory the same way. That's why I mentioned the loc-tite.

Anyways, nice pics, man. The Iphone 4/4s takes much better pictures than most people would believe. I'll be taking a few of my own in a few days if my gunsmith keeps his word. :rawk:

[AFG]

How do you like the CompM4S? I have a CompM3 on my rig, wish I got the 4MOA dot instead of the 2MOA though.

[D.O.A]

Thing is big. Very solid and robust, which is good. However, other than having a better mount, longer battery life, and the ability to accept AA batteries, I honestly cannot see it do anything outstandingly "better" than the M2 or M3 (haven't zeroed yet so we'll see). After I get another mount for it, the T1 is next up on the list.

[AFG]

Thing is big. Very solid and robust, which is good. However, other than having a better mount, longer battery life, and the ability to accept AA batteries, I honestly cannot see it do anything outstandingly "better" than the M2 or M3 (haven't zeroed yet so we'll see). After I get another mount for it, the T1 is next up on the list.


go bobro bro

[CrazyTalk]

helpity help

thanks man, I'll try this
+reps

[Face]

http://youtu.be/kFYXTH7Gdhk

[AFG]

https://s-hphotos-iad1.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/326513_725322904992_7105238_36260819_1610865942_o. jpg

[CrazyTalk]

So I got offered a Gen 3 Glock 22C for $375. It's a LEO trade-in, pretty decent condition, and comes with 2 mags. Good deal?
They're offering Gen 2's and 1's 22 (standard) also LEO trade-ins for $325 but I can probably get them to lower it to $300

[Face]

From what I remember, that would be a good deal around here.

[Zao]

That's a very good deal. It's what has me considering picking up a Gen 3 G19.

Also, I should have some interesting pictures within the next few weeks.

[Zao]

So I think the universe is trying to tell me I need to build an AR. I have been given all kinds of magazines, some ammo, a SPOT optic and mount, a complete lower and now won a contest for this:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/Smitty908/DSC_0966.jpg

So I arranged to sell my 870 to a family member to help fund the dissipator flat top upper. I never thought I would say a combination of those words.

[D.O.A]

So I think the universe is trying to tell me I need to build an AR. I have been given all kinds of magazines, some ammo, a SPOT optic and mount, a complete lower and now won a contest for this:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/Smitty908/DSC_0966.jpg

So I arranged to sell my 870 to a family member to help fund the dissipator flat top upper. I never thought I would say a combination of those words.
Nice score on that flip up sight.

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3413/picture040tk.jpg

From left to right
115gr Federal Ball, 124gr Winchester Ball, 124gr. Speer Gold Dot
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6015/picture039rx.jpg

[CrazyTalk]

I feed my keltec pf-9 124-gr gold dot. I originally had 147-gr in it but for some reason it gave me 2 ftf's and a doublefeed. no problems with the 124gr
Oh, and I picked up my glock, can't wait to try it out soon :3

[Penguin]

GFI3PGfVGsM

Hahah wut

[wickit]

Santa got my son one of these

http://images.wikia.com/nerf/images/e/eb/Nerf-Longstrike-CS-6-1024x320.jpg

[Penguin]

Santa got my son one of these

http://images.wikia.com/nerf/images/e/eb/Nerf-Longstrike-CS-6-1024x320.jpg

I tried one of those. It's a piece of shit.

[D.O.A]

Holster came in
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4900/picture054ax.jpg

[Zao]

WANT

http://www.americantactical.us/public/images/slides/ATI-STG_Poster2012.jpg

[Penguin]

It'd better come with the girl.

[Zao]

Fuckin' A

http://media.ar15.com/newsletter/SHOT/2012/DSCN1116.jpg

STILL WANT, WITH OR WITHOUT GIRL

[Penguin]

http://i.imgur.com/jWbWk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D6G94.jpg

SIG: "We CAN make a gun gayer than a gold tiger-striped Desert Eagle!"

NTTAWWT...

[Zao]

At least it's not fucking diamond plate or rainbow.

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P220-Diamond-Detail-L.jpg
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P238-Rainbow-detail-L.jpg

[Face]

LOL @ the faux diamond plate. The other gun reminds me of that 90's Mustang Cobra paint that changed colors depending on the angle in which it was viewed. Pretty cool, but the novelty wears off.

[Penguin]

I'll be honest, I was sorely tempted to buy one of those crazy-colored P238s when I was on leave. They're a lot less... well, gay IRL in color. It's more like stainless steel had a bastard baby with an oil slick, if that makes any sense.

[Face]

I'll be honest, I was sorely tempted to buy one of those crazy-colored P238s when I was on leave. They're a lot less... well, gay IRL in color. It's more like stainless steel had a bastard baby with an oil slick, if that makes any sense.Yes.

Here's the Mustang I was referring to. It's great until you get in an accident, then the whole car has to be repainted: http://www.muscularmustangs.com/2005/svtcobramystic.php

[Das-W00t]

First pistol

http://i.imgur.com/wLGaV.jpg

Used LE Glock 23 Gen 4. Came with 3 mags for $500.

[Fenris Wolf]

I can't decide if that's a good deal or not. The 3 mags are cool for the price, but for slightly more you could get an XD with 3 mags, mag holster, and a pistol holster. Not to mention new Glocks don't run much more than that used price. Personally, I wouldn't have wanted to put more than 400 on a used LE Glock. Where I used to shop in Florida I would see them all the time for around 375-425. Of course, that store was super cheap too.

[Das-W00t]

I can't decide if that's a good deal or not. The 3 mags are cool for the price, but for slightly more you could get an XD with 3 mags, mag holster, and a pistol holster. Not to mention new Glocks don't run much more than that used price. Personally, I wouldn't have wanted to put more than 400 on a used LE Glock. Where I used to shop in Florida I would see them all the time for around 375-425. Of course, that store was super cheap too.

Price was with tax, so take that for what it's worth. Thing looks immaculate too, can't even see any signs of wear or use on the internals. Around here a new Glock 23 Gen 4 would be about $580 and come with 2 mags.

[Fenris Wolf]

Honestly if it's what you want and plan on using it, the price really doesn't matter. It's always great to get awesome deals (my P238, two mags, holster for 470 with tax vs it's 750 MSRP), but when you want a new gun, the price becomes irrelevant. I am not a Glock fan, so I'm slightly biased, but it's a purely aesthetic feeling. I know it's a damn good piece. Have you taken it out yet?

[Zirconium Blade]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i62/chriscollins50/2012-01-06093621.jpg

Airsoft obviously but look I have an AR too!

[Face]

I can't decide if that's a good deal or not. The 3 mags are cool for the price, but for slightly more you could get an XD with 3 mags, mag holster, and a pistol holster. Not to mention new Glocks don't run much more than that used price. Personally, I wouldn't have wanted to put more than 400 on a used LE Glock. Where I used to shop in Florida I would see them all the time for around 375-425. Of course, that store was super cheap too.NY can be a ripoff when it comes to new or used firearms. The 8.5% sales tax doesn't help either.

[Das-W00t]

Have you taken it out yet?

Not yet. I literally just bought it today. Hopefully the weather will cooperate this weekend and I'll go run some ammo through it.

[Penguin]

I can't decide if that's a good deal or not. The 3 mags are cool for the price, but for slightly more you could get an XD with 3 mags, mag holster, and a pistol holster. Not to mention new Glocks don't run much more than that used price. Personally, I wouldn't have wanted to put more than 400 on a used LE Glock. Where I used to shop in Florida I would see them all the time for around 375-425. Of course, that store was super cheap too.

It seems like a good deal to me when you throw in the mags. If not fantastic, it's certainly not a bad deal either.

I'd much rather have a Glock than an XD anyway. Grip safeties just piss me off. They're also the main reason I lost interest in 1911s; you can talk about trigger pull all day long, but I'll go with the gun that doesn't feel like ass the second I pick it up.


Airsoft obviously but look I have an AR too!

MOE on airsoft guns now, eh? Can't say I'm surprised, MOE furniture is sexy as hell.

Kinda wish I took a pic of my airsoft Sig550 now...

[Face]

http://face.cleanandquiet.com/store/SAIGA%2012%20Done.jpg

[CrazyTalk]

Used LE Glock 23 Gen 4. Came with 3 mags for $500.
They didn't have any gen 3's? Would've been a bit easier on your wallet but still not a bad deal since used mags go for $20-30
Oh and make sure your recoil spring doesn't fall under the recall

[Zao]

I'd much rather have a Glock than an XD anyway. Grip safeties just piss me off. They're also the main reason I lost interest in 1911s; you can talk about trigger pull all day long, but I'll go with the gun that doesn't feel like ass the second I pick it up.

Fuckin' A. I'm over external safeties on a carry pistol. Any modern pistol should be without, or at least not need one engaged as a matter of course, imo. SIG spoiled me, and now I'm looking at picking up either an FNX-9 or an SP2022 for my "wonder 9."

I have it direct from the horse's mouth at SIGarms that they're moving to a new magazine type for the SP2022 that's a 17 round flush-fit, so one of the things the FN had going for it over the SIG just went out the window. Oh, and there's a new magazine coming out for the 226/229 that's 26 rounds, 9mm. Might actually have pick one of those up, lol.




MOE furniture is sexy as hell.

Fuck. Yes.

Planning to go mostly MOE on my AR. Might go Israeli on the grip, not sure yet. Either way, Magpul makes some ergonomic shit, bro. I handled a MOE equipped rifle at West Coast Armory and it felt good. I definitely prefer the triangle profile handguards over the A2 round, any day of the week. And while I want to mount a light on my carbine, that's about it and I don't need a goddamn monolithic rail system. Magpul knocked it out of the park with the MOE furniture, imo. They managed to reach guys like me that were turned off by the previous offerings. Hell, the first rifle I ever shot was an H&K91A, and I grew up with it and got used to that triangular fore-end. The MOE stuff feels natural, much more so than the GI A2.

[Das-W00t]

They didn't have any gen 3's? Would've been a bit easier on your wallet but still not a bad deal since used mags go for $20-30
Oh and make sure your recoil spring doesn't fall under the recall

They had one Gen 3, but I really prefer the grip texture and backstop change out on the Gen 4. I have really small hands, and the Gen 4s feel better in my hand. Recoil spring looks like it wasn't changed out and Glock is already sending one out to me. I'm still going to try and shoot it tomorrow, we'll see how it goes.

Once my tax return comes in, I'm picking up an Arsenal AK and a Colt M4. Yeeeeeeaaaaah boy. And maybe a 10/22. And maybe a pocket 9mm. Maybe.

[Zao]

They had one Gen 3, but I really prefer the grip texture and backstop change out on the Gen 4. I have really small hands, and the Gen 4s feel better in my hand. Recoil spring looks like it wasn't changed out and Glock is already sending one out to me. I'm still going to try and shoot it tomorrow, we'll see how it goes.


You know, the interchangeable backstrap has really caught on with the polymer handgun market. The SigPro, FN's FNX and FNS, the M&P, now Glock. I dig it.

[Fenris Wolf]

I loved it on my M&P. I'm really thinking about buying a full size M&P for competition shooting lately as I've been getting back in to it. I honestly keep going back and forth between that and the XDm. The only real downside to the XD series is that I always feel like it sits entirely too high in my hand, like the grip is normal but they decided to lift the barrel up higher than needed. And the M&P, well, I had the subcompact and always enjoyed firing that thing off during IDPA matches, so I would imagine the fullsize is even easier to handle. Either way, my next weapon purchase is at least a year off.

[CrazyTalk]

I'm considering selling or trading in my Glock 22c with 3 mags for a 17. Thoughts/comments?

edit: nah, ill regret it later. keeping it

[Zao]

Seems like an upgrade to me. You might also consider a 19. You lose two rounds of capacity with a flush-fit mag, but it's a much more compact package overall. Better for cc, if you carry.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQ71UdRNoGYEBjKj5dwg3SS3He518dk zoleEtC6hqIUJw2Li88eB8yAZkS_g

From top to bottom: G26, G19, G17:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kIWY2DV0KnE/STdePkAiZvI/AAAAAAAAB2U/Si_6Y2IIOEk/s1600/Glock+17-19-26.jpg

It really is the perfect size for a handgun, imo. The FNX is roughly the same size.

I'm actually considering picking up a used Gen III 19 trade-in if I find a spectacular deal later this year. It'll come down to a range trip and renting a G19, FNX, M&P, and an SP2022. Whatever I like best, I'll be looking for a sweet deal on.

[CrazyTalk]

well for my carry I have a KelTec Pf-9 with 124gr gold dot jhp. It's really slim and light, and with the factory belt clip you can't really tell its there. Im a thin guy so carrying a glock for conceal carry might be a bit uncomfortable for me. Prior to that I used to carry a taurus pt-1911 with an IWB holster but I have to bend down a lot at work so it's pretty noticeable when i do so. I need to eat more...
I'm still waiting for my 33-rd mag for my G22 ^^

[D.O.A]

Zao check your PMs!

[Das-W00t]

Went to the range. Pistol worked flawlessly for 200 rounds with cheapo 180 grain Federal. My pistol skills are pretty rusty but I managed to keep everything within a 4 ring and better at 25 yards.

Already planning to buy a .40 to 9mm conversion barrel from Lone Wolf Distributors. Effectively having a G19 for another ~$200 bucks (with 3 standard G19 mags)?

http://i.imgur.com/7JMlK.jpg

I've got a friend that does the same thing. A lot of people JUST do the barrel drop in, but he pops in a 9mm extractor and ejector too when he shoots 9mm. I'll see if I have any malfunctions with just the barrel, as I've been reading people who have never had ANY trouble with it, and some that have had the occasional FTE.


I'm considering selling or trading in my Glock 22c with 3 mags for a 17. Thoughts/comments?

edit: nah, ill regret it later. keeping it

Here you go brah: http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=971&CAT=241

Also, I stopped at the local gun shop before I went to the range and accidentally bought a Ruger 10/22. Surprisingly, I've never owned one before but now I'm hooked. Already have a fluted bull barrel, Hogue stock, Harris bi-pod, and Mueller scope picked out for it once the tax return comes along. I'll post pics once the customization is done.

[Zao]

Zao check your PMs!

Replied! Thanks! :rawk:

[CrazyTalk]

thanks for the link. reps

[Zirconium Blade]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i62/chriscollins50/2012-01-30132700.jpg

[Azevedo]

http://i.imgur.com/X3uOo.jpg

Finned 1905 Tula M91

[Zao]

So, last weekend, I thought I was going to sell my Smith & Wesson Model 10 to one of my wife's coworkers. This would have given me the rest of the money I need to buy my upper. The night before, I checked, and the price on the upper I wanted went up a hundred fucking dollars! Ok, lame, but I can deal. The next morning, I checked again, and they were out of stock. Yay. Literally not even two minutes after I see that, the dude calls me up and gives me some bullshit story about how he all of a sudden found out his kid needs $4,000 worth of braces. I'm using to buyers lying to me, and this guy couldn't tell a lie to save his life.

I emailed PSA to ask when they might be back in stock and the email I got back (three days later) was basically "We don't know." I asked if I could be notified when they were back in stock, no reply. Yay. If it weren't that they were one of the best values for the money, I'd be tempted to just tell them to fuck off because that's not exactly awesome customer service.

This is what I wanted: http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/complete-uppers/psa-16-hammer-forged-midlength-dissipator.html

Any recommendations on another quality vendor?

Also, since my "buddy" lied to me, I offer this up for sale here. Anyone want a '75 Smith .38 snub? It's been carried and handled a lot, and shows it. However, it doesn't appear to have been shot much. The bore is good and the rifling is sharp. Cylinder locks up nicely, chambers are shiny and smooth, trigger is like butter. There is some decent finish wear in places you would expect it, but it's not rusted, just patina. No pitting. Don't really want to sell it, but it's low man on the totem pole and I'd rather get my AR finished.
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/Smith.JPG

And to that end, I want to give some major kudos to Doc Orange. I PM'ed him asking his opinion on a grip I was interested in. Long story short, he was all like "that shit sucks, Imma send you something decent." DOA? More like BROA. Thanks again, man. After getting a little more familiar with it last night, I really like it, and you was right! :rawk:

In progress:
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/grip-ergo.JPG

[D.O.A]

Glad you liked the grip! Coming along nicely.

Ahh man PSA pulled a fast one. I think they jacked the prices up when stock was running low :(.

[Das-W00t]

Alright, question to you motha fuckas:

You have $3000. You want to buy something in 5.56 + mags + 1000 rounds of ammo + other essential accessories. WHAT DO YOU DO!?

Seriously, I have 3 grand burning a hole in my pocket and I don't own something in 5.56. How am I supposed to survive a SHTF situation without a weapon in 'merica's favorite caliber!?

I'm leaning toward a new Colt (because prancing pony) but I'm open to suggestions.

http://i.imgur.com/htWuJ.jpg

Help me DOA, you're my only hope.

[AFG]

I got a hogue grip on my lower too, feels nice.

I haven't tried Palmetto for their brand of uppers but I buy ammo from them all the time. The middy dissy looks nice though. How bout going with Spike's Tactical Middy?
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+16%22+Mid-Length+5.56%2f.223+Upper+Receiver&groupid=55

[D.O.A]

Alright, question to you motha fuckas:

You have $3000. You want to buy something in 5.56 + mags + 1000 rounds of ammo + other essential accessories. WHAT DO YOU DO!?

Seriously, I have 3 grand burning a hole in my pocket and I don't own something in 5.56. How am I supposed to survive a SHTF situation without a weapon in 'merica's favorite caliber!?

I'm leaning toward a new Colt (because prancing pony) but I'm open to suggestions.

http://i.imgur.com/htWuJ.jpg

Help me DOA, you're my only hope.
Does it have to be an AR? I'll gladly sell you one for 3k ;)

If I had 3 grand to burn, I'd buy a SCAR. Or a short barreled AR with accessories. 3 grand opens up a load of options.

You can get a damn good AR with a Colt. If this is your first AR, then in my opinion keep it simple first and decide later on whether or not you want to accessorize vs. buying a tricked out expensive AR right off the bat and realize that some accessories aren't to your liking. I see a lot of people with a ton of cash who are tempted to buy the most expensive, most accessorized AR with the money.

They end up knowing how to zero their aimpoint red dot sight before knowing how to zero irons.

The ideal route to go is to first keep it basic, shoot it for a bit and get proficient. Even if you come from a shooting background, the AR is a bit different. Once you reach that threshold of utilizing a basic AR to it's limits, you can then decide what accessories would enhance your shooting (ie: installing a compensator to reduce your split times, or installing a free floating forearm to gain that extra accuracy etc etc).

[Das-W00t]

Does it have to be an AR? I'll gladly sell you one for 3k ;)

If I had 3 grand to burn, I'd buy a SCAR.

Or a short barreled AR with accessories. 3 grand opens up a shit load of options.

Doesn't have to be an AR.

I was thinking SCAR or ACR and then sticking with mags and ammo. Although I sort of nixed the ACR since its development seems so up in the fucking air at the moment. The other option is going AR and being able to go full optic on it. I just don't know. I've been thinking about this for a couple months now, and I just can't decide. Keep going back and forth.

Also, there was some military order mixup on FN2000s, and you can get FS2000s for $1500 right now on gunbroker.

Ugh.


You can get a damn good AR with a Colt. If this is your first AR, then in my opinion keep it simple first and decide later on whether or not you want to accessorize vs. buying a tricked out expensive AR right off the bat and realize that some accessories aren't to your liking.

That's probably what I'm going to end up doing. Get the basic rifle and go from there. Being such a fan of the AK platform though, DI just scares me a bit and is one reasons I find the piston systems so attractive. I'm sure I'll get over it.

[D.O.A]

Doesn't have to be an AR.

I was thinking SCAR or ACR and then sticking with mags and ammo. Although I sort of nixed the ACR since its development seems so up in the fucking air at the moment. The other option is going AR and being able to go full optic on it. I just don't know. I've been thinking about this for a couple months now, and I just can't decide. Keep going back and forth.

Also, there was some military order mixup on FN2000s, and you can get FS2000s for $1500 right now on gunbroker.

Ugh.



That's probably what I'm going to end up doing. Get the basic rifle and go from there. Being such a fan of the AK platform though, DI just scares me a bit and is one reasons I find the piston systems so attractive. I'm sure I'll get over it.
All good man and understandable.

There are limitations to the AR (as with any gun), and it is what it is. My bug out bag has a dedicated pouch for tools and spare parts for my AR.... not because I am not confident in the firearm's ability to perform (the gun is only as good as it's operator), but because I am confident in my ability to maintain it.

A lot of people write off that mindset quickly. "Buy an (insert firearm here) and be done with it. No spare parts needed." My position still stands. If I was proficient with any other firearm, from bolt action to semi-auto, that pouch in my bag would still be stuffed with tools and parts for that gun.

As with anything in life, your mileage may vary.

[Fenris Wolf]

Apparently my last post didn't make it through some sort of validation. Zao, check out Model1Sales...they have a really decent selection of uppers and are reasonably priced too. Unfortunately they don't do MagPul, but I'm currently waiting on a buddy who works at a store that carries obscene amounts of MagPul gear and can get me a discount, maybe I can slide that over your way if the price is right. Some of the other options M1S has for the forearm are really nice though, so it's worth looking in to.

[Face]

Guess it's time to find a new gun shop. :(

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;jsessionid=583F93A6A7BE5ADA52DA.3221?site=n ewsday&view=top_stories_item&feed:a=newsday_1min&feed:c=topstories&feed:i=1.3498308

[Fenris Wolf]

Face, do not run a check on any weapons you may have bought from there then otherwise you're liable to lose it.

[Face]

Well, considering the circumstances in which I purchased some accessories, if there's an issue I'll have a knock on my door. I needed paperwork from my job to allow me to buy a few items from there.

Regardless, I'm pissed and disappointed. The owner was a really nice guy, asked me to join a martial arts class with him. Before you laugh(due to his age), I do recall him mentioning he was in Vietnam, but it didn't click how old he really was. If I were to guess, I would have said early to mid 50's, he looked like he just retired from the Marines.

Also, he rescued a few parrots and had them living in the shop(Macaw, Grey, Cockatiel, Amazon(40+ years old)).

[Zao]

Ahh man PSA pulled a fast one. I think they jacked the prices up when stock was running low :(.

I think so, too. Not a huge a deal, just means I won't as much to spend on ammo, which kinda sucks. I was hoping to pick up at least a half case to warm it up with. Might have to sell some other shit to make that happen.


I got a hogue grip on my lower too, feels nice.

It's actually an Ergo grip, but they're pretty similar. Overmolded rubber on hard plastic. Very comfy.


I haven't tried Palmetto for their brand of uppers but I buy ammo from them all the time. The middy dissy looks nice though. How bout going with Spike's Tactical Middy?
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+16"+Mid-Length+5.56%2f.223+Upper+Receiver&groupid=55 (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+16)

That's pretty tempting. At $500, though, the only thing it has over this guy is the heavy buffer and the black MOE guards.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/complete-uppers/psa-16-hammer-forged-midlength-upperpper.html

With charging handle added and handguards omitted (they seem to only have FOL and FDE in stock and I'm already committed to black), it comes in at $478, and has an FN barrel with double-thick chrome lined bore and chamber. Still leaves me enough to buy a black MOE handguard and trigger guard. Or, I could just buy the Spike's and be done with it. Decisions, decisions.

I think I'm going to try to hold out for at least a week and see what happens with PSA's stock. Half of their upper configs are out of stock. Since the email I got indicates they're waiting on barrels, I'm hoping that means they're crawling up FN's ass to get them delivered because they know they're losing out on income tax refund sales season, and that's an expensive time of year to be out of stock on important items. If things aren't looking better by the end of this coming week, I'll just suck it up and order a middy.


Apparently my last post didn't make it through some sort of validation. Zao, check out Model1Sales...they have a really decent selection of uppers and are reasonably priced too. [...] Some of the other options M1S has for the forearm are really nice though, so it's worth looking in to.
I just did and a complete dissy with the chrome-lined bore comes in at $550. That's $30 more than the PSA dissy was with the FN barrel. scratchyhead
Then I still need to get a MOE guard because I fucking hate A2 profile handguards like you wouldn't believe.


Unfortunately they don't do MagPul, but I'm currently waiting on a buddy who works at a store that carries obscene amounts of MagPul gear and can get me a discount, maybe I can slide that over your way if the price is right.

Definitely let me know. It's starting to look like whatever happens, I'll be needing at least a front hand guard, and a trigger guard. Depends on what kind of deal I can find on an upper, though.

[Fenris Wolf]

When I looked at the PSA website, I didn't see any prices as they were all out of stock. M1S was one of the cheapest ones around when I built mine, and pretty much haven't looked since, but they were also one of the only ones building dissipators as well.

[Zao]

Right on. Yeah, they started updating their site last weekend and it's a fucking mess. Options coming and going during constant updates, prices not listed if out of stock, etc. If PSA doesn't have their dissipators in stock next weekend, I'll either be buying a dissy from Model 1, or a middy from PSA. We shall see.

[Zao]

Wow. Just last night, I had resigned myself to ordering a middy. So, today, I check PSA's site and they had my dissipator upper back in stock. Great, still halfway short on the money. Checked a locally based gun forum I had posted a classified on, and I had a buyer. Just got back from the sale, had all the rest covered except the $20 for shipping. Fucking ordered.

Oh, and I should have my P229 back this week. Good things come in threes, truly.

[Zao]

Oh, and AFG, just thought you should know that last night, I was about 90% decided on ordering this exact upper you linked me because I was starting to get pissed at PSA for responding to my emails three to five business days after I sent them. So don't feel like I was blowing off your advice, you linked me to a great deal I very nearly went with, even at the very last minute. :D


I haven't tried Palmetto for their brand of uppers but I buy ammo from them all the time. The middy dissy looks nice though. How bout going with Spike's Tactical Middy?
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+16"+Mid-Length+5.56%2f.223+Upper+Receiver&groupid=55 (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+16)

[AFG]

Oh, and AFG, just thought you should know that last night, I was about 90% decided on ordering this exact upper you linked me because I was starting to get pissed at PSA for responding to my emails three to five business days after I sent them. So don't feel like I was blowing off your advice, you linked me to a great deal I very nearly went with, even at the very last minute. :D

s'all good. can't wait to see pics of the dissy!

[D.O.A]

New AR project. I call it the basic rifle adaptive modification.

Geissele SSA
http://oi39.tinypic.com/b50aih.jpg

Battlecomp 1.5
http://oi40.tinypic.com/fvwk6c.jpg

Compared to an AAC 51t
http://oi42.tinypic.com/25r2ufm.jpg

[Zao]

Nice.

Lemme know what you think of the Battlecomp (oh, and which version is that?). I'm toying with the idea of eventually adding one along with a Spike's ST-T2 buffer in a UBR. That, combined with the mid-length gas and the weight should make it recoil about like a .22. If I can have next to zero recoil in an AR, then why the fuck not? lol

Not mine, but essentially what I'm looking to wind up with:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/Recon_Sniper/IMAG0075.jpg

[Das-W00t]

Alright, question time again:

After doing some more shopping around and a little more research, I've narrowed it down to two:

http://www.riflegear.com/p-874-daniel-defense-m4v5-midlength-rifle.aspx
http://grabagun.com/bcm-recce-16-mod-0-5-56-w-rail-30rd.html

Ultimately, for a little extra change more than the Colt 6920, I could snag a mid-length with a rail system and LPGB from two very good companies. The problem is, now I can't decide between the two. Are there any differences I should be aware of, or should I just save a little extra and go with the BCM? Also, I'd really like to be able to shoot steel out of this, so something correctly gassed and timed that won't prematurely attempt extraction would be nice, which is another reason I wanted to go mid-length. I haven't been able to find anything online speaking to any timing issues from either DD or BCM, so any of your opinions or insights are welcome.

[D.O.A]

Nice.

Lemme know what you think of the Battlecomp (oh, and which version is that?). I'm toying with the idea of eventually adding one along with a Spike's ST-T2 buffer in a UBR. That, combined with the mid-length gas and the weight should make it recoil about like a .22. If I can have next to zero recoil in an AR, then why the fuck not? lol

Not mine, but essentially what I'm looking to wind up with:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/Recon_Sniper/IMAG0075.jpg

Nice. I got the battlecomp 1.5. I have a T2 on one of my carbines right now, but I might switch it out. I'll let you know.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/4q0qi9.jpg


Alright, question time again:

After doing some more shopping around and a little more research, I've narrowed it down to two:

http://www.riflegear.com/p-874-daniel-defense-m4v5-midlength-rifle.aspx
http://grabagun.com/bcm-recce-16-mod-0-5-56-w-rail-30rd.html

Ultimately, for a little extra change more than the Colt 6920, I could snag a mid-length with a rail system and LPGB from two very good companies. The problem is, now I can't decide between the two. Are there any differences I should be aware of, or should I just save a little extra and go with the BCM? Also, I'd really like to be able to shoot steel out of this, so something correctly gassed and timed that won't prematurely attempt extraction would be nice, which is another reason I wanted to go mid-length. I haven't been able to find anything online speaking to any timing issues from either DD or BCM, so any of your opinions or insights are welcome.


Both are very reputable companies and you will not go wrong with either. The two products listed are comparable and are only $100 apart from each other.

Both have 16" barrels of similar contour and utilize the midlength gas system. However, BCM has a standard barrel, whereas the DD is advertised as having a cold hammer forged barrel.
BCM has a Troy 11" rail. DD has a DD Omega 12" rail.
Both utilize a low profile gas block.
DD rifle has a rear QD sling swivel attachment to the rear. The BCM does not.
DD rifle has a vertical foregrip. The BCM does not.
DD rifle has a magpul MOE stock. The BCM has a standard M4 stock.
BCM has a MOD 4 charging handle. DD has a standard charging handle.

You cannot go wrong with either. The accessories that come with the DD more than make up for the $100 difference. However, it is up to you to decide whether or not they are worth it.

Midlengths operate on the lower end of the spectrum, but you should be able to shoot steel cased ammo just fine using a standard buffer, maybe/most likely up to an H1.

[Zao]

Nice. I got the battlecomp 1.5.

Right on. What are your thoughts on Spike's Dynacomp? I mentioned my interest in the Battlecomp to my buddy who gave me the lower and he told me that if I was hell-bent on adding a muzzle comp, to at least give the Dynacomp a look. Supposedly, very similar performance for half the price.


I have a T2 on one of my carbines right now, but I might switch it out. I'll let you know.

Sweet. If you decide to part with it, I'm definitely interested. What's your impression on how it dampens buffer spring noise, and recoil? I've heard good things and bad things, but I decided the physics of it made sense to me, having worked with a variety of hammers, a dead-blow mallet works off the same principle as the T2 and I can definitely feel the difference there, so it made sense being applied to a buffer.

*Edit - My P229 shipped today. Should have it Friday. Can't. Fucking. Wait.

[D.O.A]

Right on. What are your thoughts on Spike's Dynacomp? I mentioned my interest in the Battlecomp to my buddy who gave me the lower and he told me that if I was hell-bent on adding a muzzle comp, to at least give the Dynacomp a look. Supposedly, very similar performance for half the price.



Sweet. If you decide to part with it, I'm definitely interested. What's your impression on how it dampens buffer spring noise, and recoil? I've heard good things and bad things, but I decided the physics of it made sense to me, having worked with a variety of hammers, a dead-blow mallet works off the same principle as the T2 and I can definitely feel the difference there, so it made sense being applied to a buffer.

*Edit - My P229 shipped today. Should have it Friday. Can't. Fucking. Wait.
I definitely would give the dynacomp a look. The reviewers who have been shooting them side by side with the Battlecomp have commented that it does a better job of mitigating muzzle rise. This is most likely due to it being a pure compensator.

The battlecomp is a compensator first, that tries to expand it's effectiveness across the board by having some (minor) flash suppression capabilities, and not be as concussive as traditional comps.

The only reason why I went with the battlecomp was because a guy was selling a ton of them new in package at a good price.

As for the T2, it does it's job. The only negative reviews I've seen were from people at M4c. Their issue was the fact that there are tried and true H buffers in a variety of weigts that have been around for much longer than the spikes T weighted buffers. Why would anyone buy any of the spikes offerings that can potentially work not as well as an H weighted buffer.

A test was done and is thrown around (on that forum) as irrefutable proof that the t2 will not work as well as an H buffer due to the present "bolt bounce" (the video is up on YouTube somewhere). It could be just that rifle in the video. I do not have a high speed camera to test it out myself. I agree with the fact that bolt bounce is not something that should not happen.

In my opinion, the T2 is fine.The only reason why I might switch them out is because I'm experimenting with different weights and sort of tuning my carbine.

[Das-W00t]

Midlengths operate on the lower end of the spectrum, but you should be able to shoot steel cased ammo just fine using a standard buffer, maybe/most likely up to an H1.

Why would this be a maybe/most likely? I've always heard longer gas systems provide more reliable extraction for steel ammo, which tend to be where it fails, and consequently why carbine systems tend to fail more since they're over gassed.

[D.O.A]

You are on the right track. Carbines tend to be over gassed. Whenever you shorten a firearm, you tend to have problems. Since the AR runs on a gas impingement system, the problem can be exacerbated.

The midlength extends the gas port 2 inches further down the barrel. Because of this, it operates on a lower pressure spectrum. Coupled with the fact that steel cased ammunition are loaded weaker than NATO spec ammunition, you may run into cycling issues (more so with 14.5" midlengths than 16" midlengths). Since the AR runs on a gas impingement system, it heavily relies on the ammunition it is being fed. This is why many manufacturers in the AR game tend to NOT recommend shooting steel cased ammunition, and some go as far as stating that doing so will void their warranty.

Lower pressure midlength + lower pressure ammo = potential reliability issues.

WITH THAT SAID, you can most likely run steel through a 16" midlength with a standard buffer all the way up to an H1 maybe an H2 buffer (go too heavy, you'll run into issues). Even though the 16" midlength operates at lower pressures as is, it is still enough to cycle lower powered steel cased ammunition. In fact, people shoot steel through 16" midlengths all the time with no issues. Those that do have issues with running steel, are ones usually using too heavy a buffer. Just switch out to a lighter buffer, and usually you're good to go. This is called tuning.

A 14.5" midlength is a different story, as they most likely have to be tuned to shoot steel reliably. It is recommended to use a standard carbine buffer when shooting steel through a 14.5" midlength.

[Das-W00t]

Like a boss.

Thanks DOA. I'm really appreciating your detailed insight. I have some solid shooting experience, but no first hand AR experience.

http://i.imgur.com/FbHOq.jpg

[Zao]

Ok. Got my P229 back today. I can hardly believe it's the same pistol. It was originally a CPO (Certified Pre-Owned) gun that had been refinished at the factory. Whatever they coated the frame with was fucking garbage. I could scrape the shit off with my fingernails. Here, you can clearly see where the coating had started to come off:
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/CPOcoating.JPG


That shit was also flaking off inside the pistol and gumming things up. Bad Exeter! Bad!


I was also having serious surface rust issues from carrying. I'd sweat on, and into the pistol, and had to oil it and wipe everything down every night, especially the mags. It was becoming a pain in the ass (I've since discovered Barricade, which is awesome, but still...).
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/229rustymag.JPG


So here's what it looked like just before I sent it off:
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/229-before.JPG


It was also heavy for a carry gun, and when the smith offered to throw in a slide lightening/porting job if I was interested, I immediately said "hell yes!" So here's what I was greeted with this afternoon:
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/229-now1.JPG
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/229-now2.JPG
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/229-now3.JPG
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/229-now4.JPG
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/229-now5.JPG
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/229-now6.JPG


The first three pics, the color is a little truer to life. Slide, barrel, controls and small parts are all brushed nickel. Frame is coated brushed stainless. Slide is ported, barrel is not. He also shaved some of the fat off the side of the slide and slightly rounded the shoulders, so it's significantly lighter. Before, it was noticeably heavier than my P220, both to handle and to carry. Now it feels lighter than my 220. Crazy. He replaced all the springs and did an action job on the trigger and it's perfect now. I also hated the bar/dot sight setup and had him install some Meprolights. I ordered a set of Hogue G-10 grips with the piranha texture a few months ago, and threw those on as soon as I got it. I'm going to wait until my upper arrives and do a combined range trip to see how it shoots, but I'm already a lot happier with it. Only thing is needs now is have the feed ramp polished (which I can do), and it's exactly what I wanted.

[Fenris Wolf]

Holy shit, that is fucking gorgeous. I keep getting those deals in my email...just waiting on a 238 hook-up. And frankly, if what they do looks even half as good as what you've got there...fuck yea, that is absolutely awesome. Shit, I'm actually jealous of someone else's gun. That really is a first.

[Zao]

Actually, it wasn't SIG. This was a promo contest for Customized Creationz, and all the work was done by Todd, the owner. http://www.customizedcreationz.com/

His website is kinda geocities, but he's basically a two-man operation and does great work. If you're willing to wait a few months, he can work magic with your pistol. If you get in touch with him, tell him I sent you.

[Fenris Wolf]

Damn. I've got a local shop here that does a lot of custom gunsmithing and I've talked to them about getting my 1911 bobtailed and refinished. For about 200 it should be pretty good, but I haven't been able to save up that extra scratch yet, especially with my damn school loans coming due. If I can make it to August, I'll start making some real money, and then things are gonna get wild. I might shoot this guy an email and see what he can do for me anyway.

[Face]

Looks great!

[Face]

A scope deal from Woot: http://moofi.woot.com/moofi/noneforyou

[Zao]

Best target of the day with one flyer out of twelve at 20 yards:

http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/229-range.JPG


Holy fuck did that smith tune this thing up! 220 rounds, no failures of any kind, trigger feels totally different than it did before. I'm happy.


What I'm not happy about: Getting to the range, having the dude ask to see my rifles (M1 carbine and AR) and tell me that I couldn't shoot the AR because they were out of their special frangible range ammo that runs $40 for 50 rounds. Which is something they neglected to tell me over the phone when I specifically asked if I could shoot an AR at their range, and then proceeded to spend $50 on ammo at another place on the way. After calling around, it seems like my only choices are to spend several hundred bucks to join a range and then not be able to afford ammo, or try my luck at finding some place in the woods.... Not amused. At all.


So anyway, I got my upper Friday. Went after the cosmoline with gun scrubber, then lubed with Barricade and white lithium grease on the BCG rails. I like it. A lot. I decided I'm definitely going to sell off some random shit here and buy a UBR because it's a tad muzzle heavy and while I don't mind a heavy rifle, I want it to at least be balanced. Plus I hate the CAR stock and it looks stupid. I need to find some place to shoot it!
http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/ARloadout.JPG

[AFG]

^holy shit that dissy looks great

i have a cantilever like yours, and I wanna get a Larue LT150 mostly bc of the QD and partly bc I like the way it looks. IMO, Cantilevers dont look good by itself with no magnifier lol

edit: is your rear sight at the rear most piccantiny rail?

[Zao]

Thanks, bro! I like how it's coming along.

As for the optic and the mount, it was a combo freebie from a friend. He bought it, didn't need it anymore, and said "here." Nevermind that I didn't own an AR at the time and flat out told him I didn't want it, lol. Anyhow, it's pretty much been sitting in a box since 2007, so it was nice to have something to throw on this rifle. It's basically just a range optic, although there were a few torture test threads I've read through that are archived on a few different forums and it survived getting thrown 30ft in the air attached to a rifle, getting submerged for hours, left out in the snow for days, etc etc. I figure it's good enough for now. I've decided that after the UBR, I'll be saving up for an Aimpoint PRO. Based on everything I've looked into, red dot-wise, it seems to be the best deal for me in terms of cost, durability, and battery life (3 years constant-on off of a AA for under $400, are you fucking kidding me?!). Plus, it's simple. I don't need fancy features, I just want a red dot that's always going to be on, always going to work. I'm already seeing that having to flip off lens covers and twist a knob could be a pain in the ass on the fly; too much shit to mess with. Not an issue with the PRO. I'll look into QD mounts after I sink the change into the PRO.

Yeah, I've already had a few people ask me about the rear sight. It's this one here: http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e314/Smitty908/DSC_0966.jpg

I had to fully remove the screws and slide the sight in from the front of the rail. It's on the very last rail section, and the screws bracket it front and back. Looking at it, I suppose I could back it up one more slot and just use one screw, but it doesn't feel that solid, and sighting down the rifle, I really don't lose too much in terms of sight picture with where it is (it's still closer to my eye than the type 2 rear sight on my m1 carbine). The guy I got it from had decided to go with a Troy rear for the extra room, and I see why now. But I couldn't argue with the price: free. :D

[Das-W00t]

http://youtu.be/E_PItzGsmas

So I decided to take all of DOAs fantastic advice, considered it, and then threw it on the ground and shat all over it. I should have my brand new Arsenal SGL31 this Friday. For those not in the know with commie shit, it's basically a brand new Russian receiver AK74M. Ultimately, while I do want an AR down the line, my love of Russian guns won out. What can I say, I love the character they have, and now with an AK, my Mosins and SKS I have a halfway decent start on an actual collection. The other reason was I ran across a guy locally who was selling what looked like 8 brand new pre-ban Russian AK74 mags for $200. Even other Com-Bloc AK74 mags have been nearly impossible to find lately. Anyways, I've seen the Russian mags go for $50 to $100 a pop, so I'm pretty happy.

PICTURES TO FOLLOW COMPLETE WITH FLAGS, VODKA, AND OTHER ACCESSORIES.

[D.O.A]

You are nothing but scum.

jk. Post some pics

http://i41.tinypic.com/bgeips.jpg

[Das-W00t]

Welp, it took me forever to get around to actually post some pictures, but hopefully these make up for the delay.

Start this before hand.


http://youtu.be/aOHxHFjEu8A


http://i.imgur.com/FYs21.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/voZKD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lS5Dg.jpg

[Zao]

Frikkin' commie. :fu:




Nah, sweet rifle, man. Looks good! Had a chance to shoot it yet?


I just got back from the local overpriced gun shop. Luckily, they stock Magpul stuff and I was able to get the polymer guard. Just installed it, and holy shit is it roomy and comfortable. Daddy like.


http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/armgplguard.JPG


I also got to handle a UBR stock, and it's not as heavy as people make out. I'm definitely sold on it, though. Very solid. Just need to get the funds together for one, ditch the front sling swivel, and order my VCAS and a QD mount for the handguard and I'm calling it done until I come across a better rear sight.

[Face]

Very nice Das, I'm looking to get something very similar this year.

[D.O.A]

Latest project pretty much done. I call it the Basic Rifle Enhanced Modification. The concept behind this assembly is simple. To assemble a basic rifle with modern enhancements in areas (IMO) that matter the most.

Basic Rifle:
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/3359/picture094c.jpg

Geissele SSA:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3993/picture098pq.jpg

BCM Mod 4 Charging Handle:
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/7196/picture095j.jpg

Battlecomp 1.5:
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1747/picture096cb.jpg

Colt 14.5 Barrel:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1027/picture097cv.jpg

Other upgrades include having the A1 receiver cut to match the M4 barrel extension. It is using a standard spring and an H2 buffer. The rifle is without a BCG.

[Zao]

Picked up a UBR yesterday. Rifle feels balanced now, and stupid solid. After putting a #7 O ring on the front take-down lug, the only rattle or play anywhere is the front sling swivel, which is getting removed once I get a sling and mounts (I'll probably go with the MS3 that's supposed to be coming out later this year with the rear QD). Only things left I want to do are get a scout mount and get a light on it (and since it's a dissipator, I should have almost no muzzle shadow), replace the rear BUIS with probably a chopped down carry handle, and eventually, replace the SPOT with an Aimpoint PRO.

http://www.cleanandquiet.com/zao/upload/store/UBR2.JPG

[Face]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003OOBIH8?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Tempting.

[The Good King Bad]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003OOBIH8?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Tempting.

You should try the vintage.

http://i49.tinypic.com/10rmliq.jpg

edit: Are you allowed to buy LE stuff?

[Face]

You should try the vintage.
The only vintage items I buy are Victrolas, lol.

edit: Are you allowed to buy LE stuff?
Some things, yes. Nothing like full auto...yet.

[Penguin]

vfW8sJTqhAw

[AFG]

yours truly bout to fuck some shit up

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5036/6945395948_7cacfcd6b5_z.jpg

[Penguin]

UTEswkc4lPs

[Penguin]

If anyone wanted a Cavalry Arms plastic lower and never got one because they went out of business, another company has started making them:

http://www.gwacsarmory.com/index.html