Gold standards and Jim Crow - the Ron Paul thread.

[Crispulus]

Here. Talk about Ron Paui here, leave our flowers and rainbows thread alone.

[HS the Whap]

Ron Paul will free our minds and our wallets. He'll also sexually liberate us.

[Rob]

I love how this guy seems to have no following anywhere but the intarwebs.

[Crispulus]

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That's because the main stream media (MSM) won't report on him and when they do it's allways "white supremists support Paul" this or "Ron Paul wants to negate the Supreme Court" that....

[Rob]

Catch 22? Nobody reports on him because nobody cares, nobody cares because he's never reported on....

[Cheeto]

Catch 22? Nobody reports on him because nobody cares, nobody cares because he's never reported on....
Welcome to politics.

This is why I will abolish the entire process by conquering through military dictatorship and ruling with an iron fist.

But everyone will get free cake, so it's all good.

[ReutherMonkey]

Catch 22? Nobody reports on him because nobody cares, nobody cares because he's never reported on....
Nobody cared about Huckabee until all of a sudden the MSM plastered his face all over the damn place.


That's because the main stream media (MSM) won't report on him and when they do it's allways "white supremists support Paul" this or "Ron Paul wants to negate the Supreme Court" that....
puurcisely.

Although RP can make money out the ass with his relatively small following, the Republican Party doesn't want anyone who isn't a social conservative and who wants to force that social conservatism on the entire nation.

What's funny is, when I talk to people about Ron Paul, they always say "well, i like his ideas and i agree with him, but i don't think it's realistic". Frustrates the hell out of me. Nobody ever says "well I like Hillary's/Obama's/McCain's ideas and agree with them" because none of them have ideas. When a dude comes along with ideas, people get scared of change.

[PrivateParts]

People are still throwing their votes away on this guy?



I love how this guy seems to have no following anywhere but the intarwebs.


I believe there is a secret subliminal signal being broadcast over the internets that is slowly brain washing people into supporting him.

[Liebgott]

If he can make so much monmey himself, why not run without the nomination of the republicans? Pay to get ad space on tv, if he really wanted it, he would find away to get out there in the media.

Bad publicity is still publicity.

[Rob]

I'm kind of enjoying how Huckabee is refusing to give up even though McCain's pretty much got it in the bag at this point. Election season is always comedy gold.

"I didn't major in math, I majored in miracles."

[Bismarck]

I never understand why so many people think Ron Paul is some kind of political savior. If he's making shitloads of money without party backing it's because he's selling out to lobbyists, the only kind of private citizens with that kind of money are in charge of the special interests.

He's also pretty socially conservative, seeing as how he'd like to dismantle damn near every form of social support and social services this country has, is staunchly pro-life.

The thing is, he really does have some very suspicious connections to white supremacists.

[PrivateParts]

I'm kind of enjoying how Huckabee is refusing to give up even though McCain's pretty much got it in the bag at this point. Election season is always comedy gold.

"I didn't major in math, I majored in miracles."


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Vice president

[Stroddy]

I enjoy seeing Ron Paul scribbled all over the walls and sidewalks in chalk here at my university and the guy doesn't stand a chance.

It's embarrassingly funny.

[ReutherMonkey]

I never understand why so many people think Ron Paul is some kind of political savior. If he's making shitloads of money without party backing it's because he's selling out to lobbyists, the only kind of private citizens with that kind of money are in charge of the special interests.
Ron Paul has his money for all to see online, and you can check his ?FEC? reports too.

He's also pretty socially conservative, seeing as how he'd like to dismantle damn near every form of social support and social services this country has, is staunchly pro-life.
Yep. But unlike his Republican colleagues, he's not the type to push those morals on everyone else. He believes in States' rights - aka Federalism. Therefore I, as a liberal libertarian

The thing is, he really does have some very suspicious connections to white supremacists.Like your "special interests" comment - proof pls? He got a $500 donation from a white supremacist, and that's it. And even that only means that white supremacists like him, not that he likes them.

[Bismarck]

Yep. But unlike his Republican colleagues, he's not the type to push those morals on everyone else. He believes in States' rights - aka Federalism.

State's rights aren't always a positive. For example, he's gone on record to say he would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act. Ron Paul would enable the kind of localized bigotry that made Jim Crow laws possible, and furthermore, would annihilate any kind of social support to help the working class or the economically disenfranchised. He would make it a playground for the rich and powerful to do as they please.


Like your "special interests" comment - proof pls? He got a $500 donation from a white supremacist, and that's it. And even that only means that white supremacists like him, not that he likes them.

Well, there was the photo that was taken of him being buddy buddy with Don Black, the admin of Stormfront. There was also the newsletter he published for years filled with blatantly racist sentiments, calling blacks "animals" and "beasts" and accusing them all of being criminals. This wasn't just a single isolated incident with a ghostwriter either, this stuff goes on for years and years.

Even if Ron Paul didn't pen that trash himself personally, he did attach his name to it and sign off on it. Either he is ridiculously negligent about things under his auspex, which is not evidence he's fit to lead a nation, or even worse - he was entirely aware of it.

[2ltben]

Catch 22? Nobody reports on him because nobody cares, nobody cares because he's never reported on....
Nobody cared about Huckabee until all of a sudden the MSM plastered his face all over the damn place.
Except that little state where I live, where he was governor for a considerable amount of time. Not saying he was a good one, though.



That's because the main stream media (MSM) won't report on him and when they do it's allways "white supremists support Paul" this or "Ron Paul wants to negate the Supreme Court" that....
puurcisely.

Although RP can make money out the ass with his relatively small following, the Republican Party doesn't want anyone who isn't a social conservative and who wants to force that social conservatism on the entire nation.
So they're backing John McCain? The man's far more liberal than most Republicans, and I've lost count how many times he's been on the Daily Show. He only took that Conservative line for the nomination, and I think that the candidate Republicans need right now is the one against torture.

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Holy shit, its Bismarck.

[Bismarck]

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Holy shit, its Bismarck.

Hah, hey dude, how you been?

[Cheeto]

Oh god, after getting Bismarck in here, this thread has now become intellectual porn.

Someone tell me the Fed's interest rates are so low that everyone is using and abusing them.

[Cole]

People are still throwing their votes away on this guy?


Throwing away there votes? Based on what? Oh because they aren't voting for the choices MSM gives them?

Some say voting for "x" candidate is wasting a vote, No Voting for someone who will honor his oath to The People and the
Constitution isn't wasting your vote, Its making it count...


If you have two crappy candidates and one good one, you don't vote on the two crappy ones just because they have a better chance
at winning, You vote for the good one..

Voting for crappy candidates just because they have a better chance at wining, How will this help you? bragging rights just because
your guy or your side won?

If the candidate Doesn't honor his oath to protect the Constitution, and within it your freedoms and liberties, did you really win?
how does the win benefit you?

Voting for the lesser evil or the one most likely to win won't fix anything but it will contribute to the problem.

If its broke you fix it, you don't duct tape it and hope for the best...
which is what continues to happen election after election, one BS candidate lies there ass into office and they still support them,
because thats the thing to do, the status quo...

[Mr. Burns]

For my own education, what does eliminating the Fed do to protect the Constitution? Seriously, this guy wants us all to hop into a time machine back to the 1920's and use the gold standard. Lunacy.

[Cole]

I never understand why so many people think Ron Paul is some kind of political savior.
Its the ideas not the man.


If he's making shitloads of money without party backing it's because he's selling out to lobbyists, the only kind of private citizens with that kind of money are in charge of the special interests.
Completely false assumption, He accepts no special interests, this is widely known, His donations come from individuals, the majority of which are small $50 donations from a lot of people.
His support is lacking because MSM paints the founding beliefs of this country, the beliefs we all grew up learning about, as "crazy"

"Joe somebody" doesn't utilize the internet to dig up the political records of the candidates hes supporting, their votes in congress, or actions in whatever positions of power they have held, to determine rather or not they have upheld the Constitutional oath.

They take what MSM gives them without question, Ron Paul doesn't not get coverage because his ideas are crazy, He doesn't get coverage because his constitutional ideas will directly effect the very people and leaders in which those values are applied to, and they don't want that to happen...

The choices MSM gives you are no threat to the status quo, and thus regardless of the party who wins, the status quo is maintained business as usual.

Two sides to the same coin, controlled and influences by the same people, Its like batting for both sides, you cant lose.



He's also pretty socially conservative, seeing as how he'd like to dismantle damn near every form of social support and social services this country has, is staunchly pro-life.Most of the social support issues could be handled in the private sector and not only that, with the money the gov could no longer be able to steal from us if the IRS were shut down.



The thing is, he really does have some very suspicious connections to white supremacists.
This is up in the air, Its he says he says....

But regardless of what the result it it doesn't change the fact that regardless of even if he is the biggest closet racist in the world, his Congressional Record proves otherwise, it proves hes a Constitutionalist, bound by his oath.

And so long as he is bound by that oath his personal beliefs whatever they may be are of little importance, his oath protect your rights, it doesn't dictate them.

[Burris]

Ron Paul <3s Stormfront

[Cole]

For my own education, what does eliminating the Fed do to protect the Constitution? Seriously, this guy wants us all to hop into a time machine back to the 1920's and use the gold standard. Lunacy.

Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution gives Congress the
power to coin Money, and regulate the Value thereof.

The problem being is that congress has given this power away to a Private
Central bank, This bank is known to us as the Federal Reserve, Some would
and do believe that the Federal Reserve is a part of the United States
Government, It is not, It is a privately owned institution operated by
various share holding banks and bankers.

The Federal Reserve prints money backed by nothing out of thin air, then
loans it to our Government at interest, this means for every dollar our
Government borrows, comes a certain percentage of interest attached to it.

This loan is the national debt.
Now again our Government borrows money from the Federal Reserve at
interest when it doesn't need to borrow anything as it has the powers to
create and regulate the value of money all on its own.

Now as the findings of the Grace Commision Report (http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm) have shown us, All of the
money from income taxes go directly to repaying this debt, Not one penny
of it goes to the things most Americans would believe it would go to. such
as infrastructure ect..

Seeing as all of our money comes from this central bank, when we go to pay
back this debt, Where do we get the money to pay for the interest from?

Our Government borrows even more money from the Federal Reserve, thus
increasing the debt. In turn more money is flooded into the economy at
interest.

This debt can never be repaid, It was never meant to be.
Congress has not only given away its power to create money to Private
bankers, but also the power to regulate the value of it.


If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance
of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and
corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all
their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent
their fathers conquered. - Thomas Jefferson

[Liebgott]

Cole, no one is forcing you to watch MSM, its a persons choice, just like its a persons choice for who to vote for.

[Cole]

Ron Paul <3s Stormfront


Can you show me his congressional "racist" record?

I'd be interested to see such a record from a man who has for decades claimed Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Gandhi ect to be his hero's...

[ReutherMonkey]

For my own education, what does eliminating the Fed do to protect the Constitution?
It has more to do with protecting the value of the money in your pocket than anything else. Fiat currency has some serious shortcomings which make it more volatile than gold/silver/etc based currency. I'll pull up some vids with explanations.

[Cole]

Cole, no one is forcing you to watch MSM, its a persons choice, just like its a persons choice for who to vote for.

Who said I was being forced? I get my news from various web sources, days even weeks before it becomes "late breaking" on MSM, and its not spun, I watch MSM on occasion to to see the BS they are spewing.

But yes it is a persons choice to watch it, but its also their choice to make their own founded decision based on their own conclusions, and no the conclusions MSM gives them, How many people do you know who actually know why they are voting for there candidate?

Because I frequently talk to people about such issues...

Me:hey man who you voting for?
Random person: Umm Mccain!
Me:Oh? what do you like about him, what issues do you support?
Random person:/silence
Me:I'm waiting?
Random person: I'M VOTING FOR MCCAIN, BYE!

Replace Mccain with whoever and more often then not the same thing occurs..

[Liebgott]

Well those people that are influenced by media need help, but that is most of the population.

[Cole]

Well those people that are influenced by media need help, but that is most of the population.

True, and just to get it out there, In all honestly I Don't care who a person supports, I do however care, If that support serves to limit my individual rights via the laws passed under the candidate they support.

I could care less if a person of Paul's Record were Democrat, Republican, Nor what their Race or Gender is, only that They uphold there oath, Because as long as they do that, NONE of those issues are of any importance, but when they don't uphold their oaths those issues become the most important and most problematic as we see today.

[AFG]

Ron Paul is the only one that I truly believe will get us out of Iraq fucking ASAP.

[ReutherMonkey]

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[PrivateParts]

People are still throwing their votes away on this guy?


Throwing away there votes? Based on what? Oh because they aren't voting for the choices MSM gives them?

Some say voting for "x" candidate is wasting a vote, No Voting for someone who will honor his oath to The People and the
Constitution isn't wasting your vote, Its making it count...


If you have two crappy candidates and one good one, you don't vote on the two crappy ones just because they have a better chance
at winning, You vote for the good one..

Voting for crappy candidates just because they have a better chance at wining, How will this help you? bragging rights just because
your guy or your side won?

If the candidate Doesn't honor his oath to protect the Constitution, and within it your freedoms and liberties, did you really win?
how does the win benefit you?

Voting for the lesser evil or the one most likely to win won't fix anything but it will contribute to the problem.

If its broke you fix it, you don't duct tape it and hope for the best...
which is what continues to happen election after election, one BS candidate lies there ass into office and they still support them,
because thats the thing to do, the status quo...

Go ahead. Throw your vote away.

[ReutherMonkey]

It won't matter anyways - he's not going to run Independent.

That said, I fail to see how voting for someone who represents you the most is somehow throwing a vote away. The two-party system sucks, and some of us want to let that be known.

[Penguin]

Forgive the double negative, but...


If its broke you fix it, you don't duct tape it and hope for the best...

You sure as hell don't NOT duct tape it because you won't accept anything less than a certified welder when there are none to be had and you can't afford one anyway.

Ron Paul's fans don't seem to understand the Constitution at all. A president can not come in and start tearing down departments and programs unilaterally (like abolishing the IRS). There are a few words for a head of state that makes sweeping proclamations and rules by decree, unchecked by the other branches of government: Tyrant, dictator, despot... and so on. The Constitution protects us from such people.

Yes, if you want change you're going to have to push really hard on Congress to pass laws that make the changes you want. The Executive branch is important but it's not THAT important. If people paid attention to midterm elections we probably would be faring much better.

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If you wanna survive in politics you have to lose the "all or nothing, win it for the Gipper!" BS and learn to deal with voting for real, less than ideal candidates.

Because strangely enough, the perfect candidate in your mind is a perfect idiot in someone else's. You, by yourself, are no voting base. The Internet demographic merely represents a fringe of people with a lot of time on their hands. Ron Paul has an extremely vocal, extremely tiny minority supporting him. He will not get elected.


I fail to see how voting for someone who represents you the most is somehow throwing a vote away. The two-party system sucks, and some of us want to let that be known.
It's not throwing it away, but it's nothing more than a gesture. Viable third parties have to develop from the ground up, not the top down. This country is so narrowly focused on the president that they can't see much of anything else, so it doesn't happen.

Having said that, at least in the two-party system you don't have leaders winning office with 20% of the vote.

[Captain John Miller]

I like the guy, honesty, integrity and value are his key qualities. Perhaps ya'll dont realize just how oppressed we are with the current form of govt. Taxes, laws, rules, etc. They run our lives just like a certain king did some 200 odd years ago when a bunch of guys said f-this and overthrew him. Btw those guys didnt have much of a following either, but they made each follower count and pushed for their ideals, now thanks to them were all around.

He has no following cause the media is pushing Obama, Hillary and McCain. He has received little press b/c hey have already chosen the winner based on demographics and such. Yet the man raised millions of dollars in a very short period of time?

All I know is I am voting for him. Every politician lies through thier teeth about what they will promise. 90% of what they say will never happen and the 10% that does is all in a gain for themselves. Paul, if you check his voting record has kept a straight line on exactly what he believes in and pushes for. Voting for the person you like is throwing off the vote for the crazy other front runners.

Imho Paul wants to fix our ecomony and the federal system as a whole. Abolishing assistance programs would be a good start. How many people are on welfare that really need it? Those that do I feel for, those who have 8 kids and the wanna have more cause they get more $$, wont work or lose everyjob so they get the cash disgust me. The IRS is 100% illegal according to our const and its been heldup in court (some lawyer own recently).

Either way, if we get him in; changes will not happen overnight. it will take his term, maybe a 2nd term by him and his successor to make it work. Wanna know who we have to blame for most of our issues? Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Johnson who created most of the social programs that we pay taxes into to help "less fortunate". Seems to me, many years ago these people got no help and seemed to do just fine.

But chances are Paul wont win. I hope to go mccain gets in, at least he is like bush who really aint done a bad job. A wartime prez never has it easy. Hillary and Obama and I cant wait to see what happens..

[PrivateParts]

That said, I fail to see how voting for someone who represents you the most is somehow throwing a vote away. The two-party system sucks, and some of us want to let that be known.

Lets all vote for nader.

[Liebgott]

I like the guy, honesty, integrity and value are his key qualities. Perhaps ya'll dont realize just how oppressed we are with the current form of govt. Taxes, laws, rules, etc. They run our lives just like a certain king did some 200 odd years ago when a bunch of guys said f-this and overthrew him. Btw those guys didnt have much of a following either, but they made each follower count and pushed for their ideals, now thanks to them were all around.

He has no following cause the media is pushing Obama, Hillary and McCain. He has received little press b/c hey have already chosen the winner based on demographics and such. Yet the man raised millions of dollars in a very short period of time?

All I know is I am voting for him. Every politician lies through thier teeth about what they will promise. 90% of what they say will never happen and the 10% that does is all in a gain for themselves. Paul, if you check his voting record has kept a straight line on exactly what he believes in and pushes for. Voting for the person you like is throwing off the vote for the crazy other front runners.

Imho Paul wants to fix our ecomony and the federal system as a whole. Abolishing assistance programs would be a good start. How many people are on welfare that really need it? Those that do I feel for, those who have 8 kids and the wanna have more cause they get more $$, wont work or lose everyjob so they get the cash disgust me. The IRS is 100% illegal according to our const and its been heldup in court (some lawyer own recently).

Either way, if we get him in; changes will not happen overnight. it will take his term, maybe a 2nd term by him and his successor to make it work. Wanna know who we have to blame for most of our issues? Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Johnson who created most of the social programs that we pay taxes into to help "less fortunate". Seems to me, many years ago these people got no help and seemed to do just fine.

But chances are Paul wont win. I hope to go mccain gets in, at least he is like bush who really aint done a bad job. A wartime prez never has it easy. Hillary and Obama and I cant wait to see what happens..


You know if they abolish welfare, there will be millions of homeless people and it will be the great depression all over again. The crime rate will sky rocket and it will be bad, some programs are needed.

[Cole]

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Its a misconception that Paul supporters know little of the Constitution, we know very well that Dr.Paul cannot abolish these entities all on his own, But from that platform change can be made through it which influences it, The message will be heard by a much wider audience, In reality We Don't support the man, We support the idea, The facts are many current entities which exist in our government were made by Congress and these things were beyond there power to create in the first place, There powers and limitations are clearly defined in the Constitution, The federal reserve system is BS as is the income tax which supports it...

There are MANY abuses and usurpations ans yes, Congress is the primary reason these things continue, and Congress must be changed, we are working on that.

But the Facts are This this Country is a Republic, not a Democracy in which the majority, can infringe the right of the few, In this Republic this country is supposed to be the rights of the individual are always protected from the the will of any Man, Majority, or Government, What someone Does, Says, Owns, or Believes is their business and unless they use those freedoms to violate another persons freedoms they are to be left alone.

THAT is freedom.

You can disagree with me all day long and I you, but in a Republic neither of us can tread on another's rights, You may not like what I do with my freedoms but unless I use those freedoms to violate yours, what I do, own, say, or believe is none of your business.

The same works both ways and all ways.

[Cole]

You know if they abolish welfare, there will be millions of homeless people and it will be the great depression all over again. The crime rate will sky rocket and it will be bad, some programs are needed.

Its been my experience, that the welfare state = a crime state, those on welfare make just enough to live and be happy, but not enough to own the better things in life, but giving up that free money is out of the question, as is working to achieve success in life without support, so in order for them to get the things they want without loosing that free money they resort to crime, this is of course not always the case, but it is common.

Those who feel the welfare state is needed, well, There is the private sector, You can donate to that to your hearts content, but don't steal my money, to fund your pet projects.

[Liebgott]

You know if they abolish welfare, there will be millions of homeless people and it will be the great depression all over again. The crime rate will sky rocket and it will be bad, some programs are needed.

Its been my experience, that the welfare state = a crime state, those on welfare make just enough to live and be happy, but not enough to own the better things in life, but giving up that free money is out of the question, as is working to achieve success in life without support, so in order for them to get the things they want without loosing that free money they resort to crime, this is of course not always the case, but it is common.

Those who feel the welfare state is needed, well, There is the private sector, You can donate to that to your hearts content, but don't steal my money, to fund your pet projects.

So........ basically your damned if you do and your damned if you don't?

[Crispulus]

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No, you're not getting it. If people really know what he stands for and what it means, it would actually hurt him. I was being sarcastic.

[Crispulus]

Ron Paul <3s Stormfront


Can you show me his congressional "racist" record?

I'd be interested to see such a record from a man who has for decades claimed Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Gandhi ect to be his hero's...

Well, he voted against giving Rosa a medal.

[Cole]

Ron Paul <3s Stormfront


Can you show me his congressional "racist" record?

I'd be interested to see such a record from a man who has for decades claimed Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Gandhi ect to be his hero's...

Well, he voted against giving Rosa a medal.

He also said he and the Congress should pay for that same medal not us, It isn't there job to spend our money on gestures they decided to make.

[Cole]

So........ basically your damned if you do and your damned if you don't?
No its called stand on your own to feet not mine.

[ReutherMonkey]

You know if they abolish welfare, there will be millions of homeless people and it will be the great depression all over again. The crime rate will sky rocket and it will be bad, some programs are needed.
And you base this on what? Americans give more to charity than the rest of the world combined. I'm quite willing to bet that if Americans stop getting their money stolen from their paychecks, they'll happily give more to those who need it.

Don't force me to pay taxes so that the government can spend that money on international welfare. $3bil/yr to Israel alone? Give that back to me and i'll decide who's more deserving of MY portion of that money that I worked to make. Hell, welfare charities *already* exist. Using this system I can donate more to welfare charities which are more effective than the current inefficient government-run system. If the charity i used to donate to becomes ineffective and doesn't help people get on their feet, i can choose another one.




That said, I fail to see how voting for someone who represents you the most is somehow throwing a vote away. The two-party system sucks, and some of us want to let that be known.

Lets all vote for nader.
You know, if the Democrats had included the disaffected Dems who voted for Nader by revising one or two of their positions, the last decade may have turned out quite differently. The Dems didn't do that, so they lost. 3rd parties make the 2 big parties re-assess their principles. See: Republican Party pushing McCain over Huckabee and Romney for evidence.

[Crispulus]

H.R. 300: We the People Act


The "Supreme Courts ain't got shit on me" bill.

[Liebgott]

You know if they abolish welfare, there will be millions of homeless people and it will be the great depression all over again. The crime rate will sky rocket and it will be bad, some programs are needed.
And you base this on what? Americans give more to charity than the rest of the world combined. I'm quite willing to bet that if Americans stop getting their money stolen from their paychecks, they'll happily give more to those who need it.

Don't force me to pay taxes so that the government can spend that money on international welfare. $3bil/yr to Israel alone? Give that back to me and i'll decide who's more deserving of MY portion of that money that I worked to make. Hell, welfare charities *already* exist. Using this system I can donate more to welfare charities which are more effective than the current inefficient government-run system. If the charity i used to donate to becomes ineffective and doesn't help people get on their feet, i can choose another one.




That said, I fail to see how voting for someone who represents you the most is somehow throwing a vote away. The two-party system sucks, and some of us want to let that be known.

Lets all vote for nader.
You know, if the Democrats had included the disaffected Dems who voted for Nader by revising one or two of their positions, the last decade may have turned out quite differently. The Dems didn't do that, so they lost. 3rd parties make the 2 big parties re-assess their principles. See: Republican Party pushing McCain over Huckabee and Romney for evidence.


I really can't say that its based on anything, just a thought, but people will not likely give money to crack heads and whores. I agree they shouldn't get any money at all through welfare, but I don't run that. I don't make enough money to not give a shit, since like a fifth of my paycheck goes to taxes......

[Azevedo]

Even if Ron Paul didn't pen that trash himself personally, he did attach his name to it and sign off on it. Either he is ridiculously negligent about things under his auspex, which is not evidence he's fit to lead a nation, or even worse - he was entirely aware of it.

I am not making excuses for the man, but he has already apologized for not being aware of that. It's funny that you are holding it against him when a) he didn't write it, b) was not aware of it, and c) already apologized for something he didn't do.

This all being said, I was one of the few in California (heck, the entire country) who did vote for Ron Paul because I agree with him on a lot of issues. I do not support his entirely strict constructionist views of the Constitution (because even such a great document is not entirely perfect), but because he matched closest to what I want to see in our government. It drives me crazy how someone with a good media platform and not much substance can make it so far in politics while those with decent ideas who are not presentable to the uneducated sheep. I know too many people who did not research the issues before casting their vote, my family included. At least I was able to steer them into a more knowledgeable direction, except for a few of their main canidate choices.