Iraq - not Barack - Thread

[Crispulus]

Here. Talk about Iraq now. Leave the Obama circlejerk alone.

[Liebgott]

We wouldn't have to talk about Iraq if we just left

[AFG]

GTFO?

I'm worried about this ceasefire with the CLC brigades.

[Dr. Crawford]

I still believe Iraq had WMD's but moved them before the war. Also, I think that it is a good idea to battle insurgents elsewhere(like Iraq and Afghanistan) than our own soil. They aren't just going to go away if we leave there.

[Liebgott]

I still believe Iraq had WMD's but moved them before the war. Also, I think that it is a good idea to battle insurgents elsewhere(like Iraq and Afghanistan) than our own soil. They aren't just going to go away if we leave there.


Didn't you read the article that Saddam made that claim up so Iran wouldn't invade? He never thought that we would come in and actually invade.

[Cole]

I still believe Iraq had WMD's but moved them before the war. Also, I think that it is a good idea to battle insurgents elsewhere(like Iraq and Afghanistan) than our own soil. They aren't just going to go away if we leave there.

Israel puts Illegal WMDs to shame, but thats "ok"

Just think about what you just said, Insurgents, Those insurgents are created due to our presence, If we pull out They have no one to kill, and you can bet your ass, as much as I disagree with the current system here and the clown running it, that id fight every bastard who dares to come here and tell me how my country should be run, quit simply if they wanted the freedom they would fight for it without us, and the funny thing about those who support this war is, no one gave a rats ass about those poor Iraqs for nearly 13 years...

We patrolled damn near 2/3 of that country for those 13 years, We knew exactly where those so called WMD's weren't...

This administration always claims "if we know then what we know now, we would have done things differently" well Cheney knew....

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they are lying treasonous fucks...

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And remember who this is coming from... there were many heated debates on DodMod about such things and I defended this douche bag...

So this isn't coming from someone who just dislikes the jerk for no reason, I've been on that side of the fence...

[Liebgott]

Its about time you saw the truth Cole

[Invig]

So who here has actually been to Iraq?

Oh yeah, and pics or it didnt happen.

[Bismarck]

I still believe Iraq had WMD's but moved them before the war. Also, I think that it is a good idea to battle insurgents elsewhere(like Iraq and Afghanistan) than our own soil. They aren't just going to go away if we leave there.

So, you believe the insurgents are going to follow us by swimming across the Atlantic and fight their civil war on our streets? Just like how the Viet Cong continued to make attacks and bombing runs in the US after we stopped involving ourselves in Vietnam?

[Dr. Crawford]

I still believe Iraq had WMD's but moved them before the war. Also, I think that it is a good idea to battle insurgents elsewhere(like Iraq and Afghanistan) than our own soil. They aren't just going to go away if we leave there.

So, you believe the insurgents are going to follow us by swimming across the Atlantic and fight their civil war on our streets? Just like how the Viet Cong continued to make attacks and bombing runs in the US after we stopped involving ourselves in Vietnam?

By Insurgents I meant to include Hezbollah and Al Queda. And yes, I do.

And Vietnam was different and you know that.

And Cole, its not ok. I don't support Israel, or their WMD's. I'm sick of seeing signs on the highway about Israel.

The Insurgents aren't created by our presence. They are born into extremism all over the place, but come to fight us where they can since they now have the chance. If they had the chance I am sure they would come here. Even though they already have. I didn't ask for 9/11. Or the first WTC bombing, or that extremist to stand outside of CIA headquarters and mow people down on the highway, or the planned attempt to blow up a bomb on the millennium celebrations.

The ones created by our presence would be the Iraqi's that live there. They aren't Insurgents.

I didn't agree with the first gulf war or Vietnam, or Korea, or helping the Afghans against the Soviets. But just because I think they're wrong, doesn't change what is happening today. I don't want my kids to grow up in a world where they have to fear constant threats and attacks from extremists of any kind.

I wish people could just get along but sadly I never see that happening while Religion, Racial Intolerance, and greed still exists.

[Invig]

So, you believe the insurgents are going to follow us by swimming across the Atlantic and fight their civil war on our streets? Just like how the Viet Cong continued to make attacks and bombing runs in the US after we stopped involving ourselves in Vietnam?

But the thing is terrorists DID attack us on U.S. soil. The VC never did.

The theory of GWoT is that we find and fight the terrorists on their soil before they get to ours.

The thing about Iraqis is they are more spectators throughout the whole thing over anything else. They pick the side that they hate the least. Thats where the whole "winning hearts and minds" comes from.

[Cheeto]

I've never understand the mindset that if America didn't have bases and troops occupying areas of the Middle East that the natives didn't want us in then we'd STILL have terrorists trying to blow us up. Why the hell would they even give two shits about what America did at that point? Because they hate our freedoms? They hate our decadent western life style that sins against their god? Because we ate pork?

[Cole]

[quote="Dr. Crawford":jj32gkob]I still believe Iraq had WMD's but moved them before the war. Also, I think that it is a good idea to battle insurgents elsewhere(like Iraq and Afghanistan) than our own soil. They aren't just going to go away if we leave there.
[/quote:jj32gkob]

We supported, trained, funded and armed a dictator in Iraq, then disposed him. only to have that backfire, multiple times...
We influenced the overthrow of a democratically elected government in Iran to install a puppet leader... only to have that backfire.... multiple times...
We supported a dictator in Pakistan which overthrew a democracy...
Thats working out well...
We supported, trained, funded and armed the Mujaahideen, of which many remnants are now Al-CIAda.. that backfired multiple times....


I'm sure our continuous dicking around and medaling in their affairs and all the while completely contradicting our own mission statements sure makes them want to just come and give us a big hug....

And I'm sure the father, brother, cousin, uncle, ect, ect, ect, of anyone who gets accidentally blown up while we are going after "terrorists" just goes on about their daily lives thankful that the great U.S.A is there to free them from oppression and turmoil...

I know exactly what I'd be doing to my "liberators" if they did that shit to my family, accident or not, All that is going through their mind is this, Saddam may have been a dick, but guess what, their family was alive when he was in power.

when we leave there we will be the last impression of them and we will be weighed with Saddam...

It would be in our long term benefit to leave a smaller mark then he did or our whole mission to free them is rather pointless especially if more of them die under our occupation then did under his regime...

If we end u doing more damage to that country and killing more people then Saddam did our mission is a failure. and is counter productive...


And just Remember there is a difference between and Insurgent and a Terrorist, Terrorists harm innocents on purpose, Insurgents are simply fighting an occupation, Now do I cheer when one of those insurgents kills one of our boys? Hell no, But if I were in their shoes I would be doing the same damn thing.

We can buy into the BS lie of Al-CIAda all day long and hate them because our government tell us to, But guess what, It doesn't change the fact our Government CREATED our enemy, Look it up.




Hell google "p2og" Its nice how our gov wants to "stimulate" terrorist cells to attack, then "try" and stop them before they accomplish that attack... I sure hope they don't fuck up and fail to stop the very attack they "stimulated"
Sure is nice living in a world where you don't know rather your enemy attacked you because they simply hated you, or rather they attacked you due to your own Government "stimulating" them to do something they may not have even done...


Hell while you at it, google "pnac" which is a neocon think tank, Their pre 9/11 hopes for a new pearl harbor to set thing off is sure nice...

Looks like they got that.

[Dr. Crawford]

I know thats what we did in the past it doesnt make any of those things we did right. we go exactly against what our country preaches.

and that is part of the reason they hate us yes, but they arent just going to go away.

The insurgents there are terrorists though. they blow up markets full of people. women and children. using mentally retarded women to blow themselves up. If they weren't doing it there they'd be doing it somewhere else.

also, I know thats where Al Queda came from, but that doesn't make them any less real or less of a threat.

[Penguin]

Cole, the insurgents aren't Iraqi locals whose children have been blown up by the US. The majority of them are foreigners or belong to some dickhead's private army like Al-Sadr.

[Cole]

Cole, the insurgents aren't Iraqi locals whose children have been blown up by the US. The majority of them are foreigners or belong to some dickhead's private army like Al-Sadr.

Last numbers I saw 45-55% are Saudi Arabian.. our friend The same friend who produced 15 of the 19 hijackers...

So if our enemy primarily hails from Saudi Arabia, why is it we are in Iraq again?

The Democracy excuse is proven BS
The WMD excuse is proven BS

So I'm lost.

[Penguin]

Yep. So, mostly foreign.

Really, I don't care why the Iraq war was started. I was opposed to going in, but fat difference that made. At this point keeping the rest of the region from going tits up is what matters.

[CrazyTalk]

So if our enemy primarily hails from Saudi Arabia, why is it we are in Iraq again? Access to oil ;) that and Bush has ties with Saudi Arabia so he doesn't want to piss em' off

[Rob]

Yep. So, mostly foreign.

Really, I don't care why the Iraq war was started. I was opposed to going in, but fat difference that made. At this point keeping the rest of the region from going tits up is what matters.

I dunno, at this point it sort of feels like trying to put out a forest fire with a frying pan.

[Burris]

This thread is stupid. >:o

[CrazyTalk]

if you have nothing to contribute please don't post

[Invig]

Heres my response to everyone in this thread

:orly:

but what do I know, its not like Ive ever been to Iraq personally and been talking to actual Iraqis on a daily basis.


OH WAIT! I'M THERE RIGHT NOW! lol silly me. I forget sometimes.

Insurgents = foreign fighters who have come solely to fight the coalition and don't give a shit about Iraqis.
We may accidentally kill Iraqi nationals sometimes (its at an all time low, and has been decreasing for a long time now) but the insurgents WILL target Iraqis if they feel like it.

[xerent]

It's difficult if not impossible to impose democracy on a country. The people has to come up with the idea themselves. Nuff said.

[Pinecone]

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[Liebgott]

Heres my response to everyone in this thread

:orly:

but what do I know, its not like Ive ever been to Iraq personally and been talking to actual Iraqis on a daily basis.


OH WAIT! I'M THERE RIGHT NOW! lol silly me. I forget sometimes.

Insurgents = foreign fighters who have come solely to fight the coalition and don't give a shit about Iraqis.
We may accidentally kill Iraqi nationals sometimes (its at an all time low, and has been decreasing for a long time now) but the insurgents WILL target Iraqis if they feel like it.

Not all, look at the death squads and shit that have infiltrated the Government and Army and Police, they are Iraqis.....

[Bismarck]

It's difficult if not impossible to impose democracy on a country. The people has to come up with the idea themselves. Nuff said.

There's an additional layer there I think, though. The government in power before the military coup was a British plant, and a lot of people resented it because of it's perceived favoritism to British policies. Any government that we set up, as opposed to one set up in Iraq by Iraqi political leaders and stemming from Iraqi grassroots support is going to look like just another colonial government, lacking any kind of real legitimacy.

[TylerDurden]

"And here we go around the world and using force to spread democracy in Iraq, and yet we don't have it here."

http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?th ... sview=item (http://therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=811&thisview=item)


"All they talk about is terrorism on television
They tell you to listen, but they don't really tell you they mission
They funded Al-Qaeda, and now they blame the Muslim religion
Even though Bin Laden, was a CIA tactician
They gave him billions of dollars, and they funded his purpose
Fahrenheit 9/11, that's just scratchin' the surface"


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[Mos Def - talking]
Man, you hear this bullshit they be talkin'
Every day, man
It's like these motherfuckers is just like professional liars
YouknowwhatI'msayin? It's wild
Listen

[Hook - Mos Def]
Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga

Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, nigga
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, nigga
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]

[Verse 1 - Immortal Technique]
I pledge no allegiance, nigga fuck the president's speeches
I'm baptized by America and covered in leeches
The dirty water that bleaches your soul and your facial features
Drownin' you in propaganda that they spit through the speakers
And if you speak about the evil that the government does
The Patriot Act'll track you to the type of your blood
They try to frame you, and say you was tryna sell drugs
And throw a federal indictment on niggaz to show you love
This shit is run by fake Christians, fake politicians
Look at they mansions, then look at the conditions you live in
All they talk about is terrorism on television
They tell you to listen, but they don't really tell you they mission
They funded Al-Qaeda, and now they blame the Muslim religion
Even though Bin Laden, was a CIA tactician
They gave him billions of dollars, and they funded his purpose
Fahrenheit 9/11, that's just scratchin' the surface

[Hook]

[Verse 2 - Immortal Technique]
They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam
But that's bullshit, I'll show you why it's totally wrong
Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight
It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights
I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream
I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem
I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south, my nigga
I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out, my nigga
You ever clock someone who talk shit, or look at you wrong?
Imagine if they shot at you, and was rapin' your moms
And of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons
We sold him that shit, after Ronald Reagan's election
Mercenary contractors fightin' a new era
Corporate military bankin' off the war on terror
They controllin' the ghetto, with the failed attack
Tryna distract the fact that they engineerin' the crack
So I'm strapped like Lee Malvo holdin' a sniper rifle
These bullets'll touch your kids, and I don't mean like Michael
Your body be sent to the morgue, stripped down and recycled
I fire on house niggaz that support you and like you
Cuz innocent people get murdered in the struggle daily
And poor people never get shit and struggle daily
This ain't no alien conspiracy theory, this shit is real
Written on the dollar underneath the Masonic seal

(I don't rap for dead presidents
I'd rather see the president dead
It's never been said but I set precedents)--[Eminem]

[Hook]

(Shady Records was 80 seconds away from the towers
Some cowards fucked with the wrong building, they meant to hit ours)-- [Eminem]

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[jordan]

This was an interesting video taken by the other side shortly after our last election;

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ksMPjMSTLwg

[TylerDurden]

how can anyone forget ? Our country did this, and is still doing this. bush isn't what you all think he is, hes not Hitler, he isn't anything ! just like how Oboma isn't anything !

the best thing that could happen, is for everyone to pay attention to him, (oboma) and what he is saying, and that will allow for more shit like this to happen.

I promise, you will all see ! Oboma is a lie ! While he will be in office, shit will be going down, like always. Mark my words ! somebody, anybody !

[Liebgott]

how can anyone forget ? Our country did this, and is still doing this. bush isn't what you all think he is, hes not Hitler, he isn't anything ! just like how Oboma isn't anything !

the best thing that could happen, is for everyone to pay attention to him, (oboma) and what he is saying, and that will allow for more shit like this to happen.

I promise, you will all see ! Oboma is a lie ! While he will be in office, shit will be going down, like always. Mark my words ! somebody, anybody !

Do you have any fucking information to support these fucking ridiculous claims that you are spewing about these forums?

[TylerDurden]

yeah, all the websites and videos i just posted..

HAHA @ YOU !

[Liebgott]

yeah, all the websites and videos i just posted..

HAHA @ YOU !

Why not post legitimate sites, I can make a site and post shit but it doesn't mean that it is true. At least post sites that h ave legitimate sources and not made up facts.

[TylerDurden]

dude c`mon now, this isn't cool :\

/me hugs Liebgott

Just because our government is going to kill us .. doesn't mean our last moments together have to be so harsh :manji:

/me embraces


no but really, most all the websites i use to go and check this stuff out, are no longer around, i wonder why :\

and also, if you listen to the videos i posted, they give you the answer you seek.

why is this so hard to believe ?

look at Nixon ! That wasn't that long ago. Look at what happen to JFK ! He wanted to make America independent from the Federal Reserve. The same world bank that made America what it is today. Not to mention many other country's. As soon as he said thats what he wanted to do, he was dead the next week. Wow... Ahem ...

I think the CIA or CIA type peoples run the show here.

and i didn't post crap, just because you want things to change from the comfort of your living room, doesn't mean im wrong by saying it takes more then that. More then any of us can offer. If it was so easy to change things, then we'd be in office. but its not, so there you go.

[Liebgott]

lol I'm not trying to be an ass to you or anything so /hugs

but seriously, conspiracy theories about JFK being killed by the CIA? Maybe I read that wrong, but it sounds like you implied that.

Things will always change, whether it be good or bad, but no one can tell what is going to happen.

/signs off rant

[Penguin]

I dunno, given the video he posted he's a Troofer so I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[Cole]

Do extensive research into The Creature from Jekyll Island, The Banking Cartel, Their influence on our leaders, How the Income tax became law and what prompted it, And whats its actually used for *Hint* (http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm), I'm currently doing a writeup on it which I've been working on for many months, and probably wont finish it for many more...

This is where it all begins, Once you being to dig, everything we thought we knew, we begin to question, and everything that once didn't quite add up will...

Everything, is connected, a deliberate and planned sequence of events, which has lead us to where we are today.

[Cheeto]

Does anyone understand a damned thing TylerDurden posts?

[Liebgott]

Does anyone understand a damned thing TylerDurden posts?

Nope

[TylerDurden]

lol

:manji:

The Banking Cartel, as Cole pointed out. I like that, it sounds real nice.

As far as banking goes, and it being a cartel, this goes back to the days or pirates.

JFK really did want to change how our money was going, and he understood that the only way America could be a 100% independent country, with no influences other then the people of the united states, you basically have to cut the bull shit. The people who loan you money, have a big say on how you spend whatever cash you have.

Pretty much, he stated this, and told the people of America he wanted to go this way, and soon after he got a bullet in the head.

This doesn't mean the CIA did it, nor does it imply that anyone from OUR government did it. Although one can't help but notice JFK's biggest enemy at this time, which was in fact the Federal Reserve. Which isn't Federal at all mind you. These people, like i said, go back to the time of Pirates, and Red Soldiers. Blood Lines of families and organizations. I could go on, but this only has to do with the topic at hand, as far as the current state of our government today, and who or who does not run it.

My biggest point in anything that i write, would have to be things like 9/11, bush, Clinton, and other people >:(

What i mean is --> How can someone be president and do things, and run off, and its ok ? its not the Governments fault. How is it that this system allows for people to run in and be in office, fuck stuff up, then run away ? Doesn't make sense. I believe the first time people starting questioning who was running this country, might have been at the time of Bill Clinton. Everyone joked around and said things like "oh, his wife is REALLY the one running the show" then here comes Bush.

I think by Omaba coming into office, it should be a clear sign that someone is giving us another person to pretty much out loudly speak about, sort of like giving feed back, to what it is we want in a president, and or country. I think its all a set up, so whoever is over looking the U.S, can see what kind of people are living here, and how we react to things.

If there was a WWIII going on, would you want to know about it ? Would it be better to not know ? If you didn't know, then you'd go to work everyday and generate money for the economy, meaning we as a country would have money to continually spend towards war efforts. If our country isn't up to it, and the people break under the pressure of being in a great war, then it could be a Great Depression. Thus, America would be having to borrow major cash from oh, i don't know .. The Federal Reserve ?

America is a corporation, which can be compared to McDonald's, IBM, and other great American and non America Corporations.

[Liebgott]

America is a corporation, which can be compared to McDonald's, IBM, and other great American and non America Corporations.

And the other 250 countries arn't?

[Cole]

America is a corporation, which can be compared to McDonald's, IBM, and other great American and non America Corporations.

And the other 250 countries arn't?


I certainly hope your not trying to justify bad with bad?

[Liebgott]

America is a corporation, which can be compared to McDonald's, IBM, and other great American and non America Corporations.

And the other 250 countries arn't?


I certainly hope your not trying to justify bad with bad?

I'm not, but you can't slam on country for what every country does

[Cole]

I'm not, but you can't slam on country for what every country does


You sure as hell can if its your country...

I mean I guess if every country is going around committing genocide, we should just shut the fuck up because everyones doing it?

Are you thinking this stuff out before posting?

[Liebgott]

I'm not, but you can't slam on country for what every country does


You sure as hell can if its your country...

I mean I guess if every country is going around committing genocide, we should just shut the fuck up because everyones doing it?

Are you thinking this stuff out before posting?

I'm talking about shit thats within reason, way to take it to the fucking extreme, and no :ninja: