Hillary Clinton loses her goddamned mind

[Rob]

I gather this happened earlier today. And I thought the Republican machine fighting a losing battle was an ugly sight, this was just plain disgusting:
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Kind of reminds me of Howard Dean's YEEEAAAARRRRGH, only more fucking crazy.

[Rob]

Obama's response, by the way, was a bit more....measured.

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[PoolShark]

I hate to sound chauvinistic but now she just seems like an angry mother yelling at her child. BEEEEYOOOTCCCH

[TylerDurden]

which would you rather vote for. a giant douche, or a turd sandwich ?

they both suck, and they both equal the same thing, which is something that doesn't represent the current generation at all. anyone stressing out over picking which one to vote for, is wasting their time, and will only realize this after the fact.

[Rob]

they both suck, and they both equal the same thing, which is something that doesn't represent the current generation at all
I don't know, I think that's absolutely wrong. He seems to be the first candidate (well, ever) who isn't mired in backlash-against-the-60s and Cold War pretensions. And from what I've been reading/hearing about, the youth generation has been turning out in droves to support him in the primaries and caucuses. To me, that speaks volumes about what the "current generation" is and wants.

We didn't grow up under the shadow of the "evil empire", and we're all a little tired of living in with the elder generation's pretensions and prejudices that were borne of it.

[TylerDurden]

dude fuck that. "the youth" what youth ? more then half of "the youth" in America, is brain washed ! kids are so plugged in, we got cords coming out of our assholes !

and im sorry, but every year, i hear SOMEONE saying something like "oh well, hes the first, blah blah blah, kids like him, blah blah, hes touching REAL issues!"

PLEASE ! THATS WHAT PEOPLE WERE SAYING ABOUT BUSH ! SNAP OUT OF IT ! Everyone thought Nixon was a great chap, and a lot of people still do.

Presidents are public relations for the people of the united states of America. They are people pleaser's in the sense that they will say or do anything to allow the people to sleep at night, so they can wake up the next morning and go to work.

50-60 years ago. lets take a look around. Depression. It was great. Someone said, that if America was so succeed then she could never be in such a depressed state ever again. And now look at America. the machine is growing, and the facts are all around. its up to YOU to read, and put it all together for YOURSELF. Anyone who has done more then watched FOX news, or listened to their history teacher will understand what im saying.

[Rob]

Anyone who thought GW was "different" was a fucking idiot, both at the time and in retrospect. He's the son of H.W. for god's sake.

[TylerDurden]

yeah well my point exactly. You have SO MUCH FAITH in the U.S... And all the people who back up bush, make up more then HALF of the U.S.

so then THAT MEANS people voting for obama, are fucking dumb asses then, HUH ? because people who voted for bush, would NEVER vote for Clinton these days, never. Meaning they are voting for Osoma BIN OBOMA LADIN

[Liebgott]

The kids who are plugged in as you say, are voting for Ron Paul because thats what the Internet wants, most kids that can vote and are voting for Obama are not stupid mindless drones, they are at least somewhat smart, at least the majority of them.

And Hilary is just fighting the littlest shit that comes up, that bitch needs to quit the race today

[blackguy32]

yeah well my point exactly. You have SO MUCH FAITH in the U.S... And all the people who back up bush, make up more then HALF of the U.S.

so then THAT MEANS people voting for obama, are fucking dumb asses then, HUH ? because people who voted for bush, would NEVER vote for Clinton these days, never. Meaning they are voting for Osoma BIN OBOMA LADIN

Bush's approval rating is at about 19- 23 %. He isnt very liked at all.

[Dr. Crawford]

I happened to like Howard Dean. That YEAUUUUUUUUUGH was awesome!

[Burris]

CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN! HOPE!

Hi Gary Hart, what are you doing in 2008?

(The Senate's approval rating is worse, not that opinion polls even mean anything.)

[SWK]

I don't know, I think that's absolutely wrong. He seems to be the first candidate (well, ever) who isn't mired in backlash-against-the-60s and Cold War pretensions. And from what I've been reading/hearing about, the youth generation has been turning out in droves to support him in the primaries and caucuses. To me, that speaks volumes about what the "current generation" is and wants.

We didn't grow up under the shadow of the "evil empire", and we're all a little tired of living in with the elder generation's pretensions and prejudices that were borne of it.

I think that this really captures Senator Obama's appeal - Americans are sick of the Cold War style of government. They are tired of the old ideologies, petty squabbles and Rovian politics and want to move forward.

[HS the Whap]

I happened to like Howard Dean. That YEAUUUUUUUUUGH was awesome!
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[Crispulus]

Oh, Obama you are so dreamy in your response.


If Hillary wins the nomination, I will be taking my vaction to protest the Democratic convention.

I heard MI's governer Grandholm today just sucking Hillarys dicks so hardcore. It was really gross.

[Burris]

Granholm has been a failure.

[TylerDurden]

I guess my point is, that it doesn't matter who is in the spot light. Bush, Obama, clinton, it doesn't matter. I promise, once Obama is in office (he will be) everyone will be SO happy he is, and will be saying things like "oh yeah, the government listened to us ! voting rules !" and while everyone is watching Obama with puppy dog eyes, shit will continue to go on in other countrys, and we won't hear about it, because our media will be too focused on showing all the great stuff Obama can do !

Who knows, Obama might be a really nice guy, but the facts are - he has already lied about stupid ass shit - Once hes in office, all of America will be drooling over him, not WANTING to pay attention to anything else. His voice, looks, the way he carries himself, is that of a president in a movie. I imagine Brad Pitt on the cover of a magazine. This is our new president . Talk about giving the people what they want, so we can all shut up and be "happy" so our attention is someplace else.

the truth is, Obama will not be totally in charge. Just like bush wasn't, neither was Clinton.

Who knows when the last president was in office that wasn't used for mostly a distraction.

[blackguy32]

In other news,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/2 ... 88194.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/24/hillary-clinton-mocks-bar_n_88194.html)

[TylerDurden]

"bitches get stuff done. fag bashers don't."

thats quoted from your nice little web page there, guy. lmao.

in other news, hillary is still loosing, awesome, everyone knows whats going to happen.

[Rob]

Hilary gets dirty....really dirty. And not in a way that'll make you retch. Though this might too (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7263783.stm):


Robed Obama picture ignites row

US Democratic front-runners Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have traded accusations over a photo of Mr Obama circulating on the internet.
The picture, sent to the Drudge Report website, shows Mr Obama wearing traditional African dress during a visit to Kenya in 2006.

The Obama camp said it was circulated by Mrs Clinton's staff as a smear. Mrs Clinton's team denied the accusation.

The row comes as the rivals campaign for two crucial primaries next week.

Analysts say Mrs Clinton needs to win the contests, in Texas and Ohio, to remain in the race to choose the Democratic candidate for November's presidential election.

'Fear-mongering'

The photograph shows Mr Obama - whose father came from Kenya - wearing a white turban and a white robe presented to him by elders in the north-east of the country.

According to the Drudge Report, which published the photograph on Monday, it was circulated by "Clinton staffers".

Some Clinton aides have tried in the past to suggest to Democrats that Barack Obama's background might be off-putting to mainstream voters.

A campaign volunteer was sacked last year after circulating an email suggesting, falsely, that Mr Obama was a Muslim.

But the BBC Justin Webb in Ohio says the photograph - coming at this pivotal moment in the campaign - is being seen by the Obama team as particularly offensive.

His campaign manager, David Plouffe, accused Mrs Clinton's aides of "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election".

The accusation was dismissed by Mrs Clinton's campaign manager Maggie Williams.

"If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed," she said.

"Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely."

Mrs Williams did not address the question of whether staffers circulated the photo.

[Burris]

Is there any proof Clinton released that? We do have the internet...

[Cheeto]

"OMG he's teh black man with a muslim arab father terrorist!"

Uhh...actually ma'am I'm half-black, catholic, and my father was from Africa, about a few thousand miles south of Arabia.

[Burris]

Kenya was actually under the hegemony of Oman (Later Zanzibar) for most of it's history. Not that that really matters. Just pointing out East Africa is very much intertwined with the Middle East.

[Cheeto]

I know, but everyone wants to hear that Arabs are terrorists and Africans are poor dirt eaters. Or at least that's how the soundbites are structured on the news.

Really I think Hillary has grossly misinterpreted how people would react to attacks on Barack. It's like beating up a Buddhist, people think you're a dick and they go to help him. Her flawed and emotional attacks have done the best for his campaign and the worst for hers. She now appears emotionally unstable and angry and vicious, whereas he appears calm and rational and peaceful. GG Hillary, maybe if you stop being a bitch now he'll offer you the vice-presidency.

[Mr. Burns]

GG Hillary, maybe if you stop being a bitch now he'll offer you the vice-presidency.
Please no.

[Burris]

She wouldn't accept it.

[Rob]

I doubt she'd accept it either, but if ever there were a way for Obama to win this, it's to offer it to her--whether she accepts or not.

[Burris]

It'd be interesting tos ee how her people would spin her rejecting it. luls.

[Cheeto]

I think she might accept it, she seems power hungry enough to go for it and hope he dies before too long.

[Mr. Burns]

I think she might accept it, she seems power hungry enough to go for it and hope he dies before too long.
You mean "hope" he "dies of natural causes".

[Rob]

Or uses her/Bill's contacts to dig some dirt up on him so that he "resigns" and she takes the lead?

[Burris]

She's really not that evil...

The only presidents we've really had like that are Nixon and LBJ.

[Rob]

She's really not that evil...
I really hope not, it's just that she's run such a dirty, win-at-any-cost campaign since day 1 that it's hard to see the woman as pleasant.

[Mr. Burns]

She's really not that evil...

The only presidents we've really had like that are Nixon and LBJ.
She may not be evil, but she embodies the worst of American politics and I'm really tired of that stuff.

[Cheeto]

She's really not that evil...

The only presidents we've really had like that are Nixon and LBJ.
She may not be evil, but she embodies the worst of American politics and I'm really tired of that stuff.
You and the majority of the voting public it seems.

[Burris]

Obama is not any different from Hilary Clinton. Packaged differently, but same politics.

[ReutherMonkey]

She does remind me of a mother, and I gotta say, I can't take another 4 years of my mom yelling at me and telling me to do this or that (go clean up your room!; go enroll in universal health-care!; comb your hair you lazy sob! etc..)

[ReutherMonkey]

Obama is not any different from Hilary Clinton. Packaged differently, but same politics.
Their health-care plans are different.
He's not a massive douche, either.

[Burris]

Read up on Gary Hart. They're both your same washington politicians packaging their message differently.

[ReutherMonkey]

Read up on Gary Hart. They're both your same washington politicians packaging their message differently.
except the fact that Obama practically makes money grow on trees for his political campaign and all... And unlike "where's the beef?", Obama's plans are public. Also, unlike Hart, Obama's campaign has stayed clean in the public eye because he's been cool and collected, especially in the face of Hillary who embodies typical Washington politics of "if it aint goin well, try to throw a few punches under the belt".

[Azevedo]

You can not lose what you have never had.

[2ltben]

I used to like John McCain before he sold out his Liberalism to the Republican party, and I still strongly agree with his stance on torture and war crimes, moreso than any Democratic candidate: he won't fucking tolerate it. Period. As for Obama, he sends the message that the Red Scare is over, that America is tired of brinksmanship and competitive diplomacy. Obama reflects a kind of Federalist international, that cooperation can actually work and that socialized Federalism is a far cry from the Leninism and Maoism it was thought to be during the Cold War.

Clinton needs to drop out because she's lost almost all of her major support among liberals, the remainder of this race needs to be about partisan politics, not about Democratic in-fighting. Partisan politics is incredibly important during an election, it states a platform and ensures that the minority opinion isn't crushed.


You can not lose what you have never had.
Pretty sure Alberto Gonzales tried that with habeus corpus. Blew up in his face, as I recall.

[PrivateParts]

Dont forget my prediction from the dod boards.
It doesnt matter who will win the democractic candidacy.

[Cheeto]

I seem to recall a brief, golden age time of American politics when we didn't have the two party system and people campaigned on the issues.

Happy days.

[2ltben]

I seem to recall a brief, golden age time of American politics when we didn't have the two party system and people campaigned on the issues.

Happy days.
When we didn't have the two party system? What America are you talking about?

[Cheeto]

It was a very brief time between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists and the Democrats and Republicans.

A golden age where the government was useful and the nation made tremendous strides of progress.

[Liebgott]

It was a very brief time between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists and the Democrats and Republicans.

A golden age where the government was useful and the nation made tremendous strides of progress.

How old are you?

[2ltben]

It was a very brief time between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists and the Democrats and Republicans.

A golden age where the government was useful and the nation made tremendous strides of progress.
Like the Whiskey Rebellion and inflation so bad that money was near worthless?

[Crispulus]

Cheeto was talking abouit Ross Perot and the Reform Party man. Three party system in the house son!

Also, the Know Nothing party. Best politcal party ever.

Who can easily forget Eugene Debs and the Socialist Party or Teddy and the Bull Moose?

SOMEONE STOP ME I'M ON A ROLL!

[Penguin]

If Teddy Roosevelt ran today I would vote for him.

[2ltben]

If Teddy Roosevelt ran today I would vote for him.
He'd be for staying in Iraq, but also for going green above everything else. Shit, that's why he ran after Taft, to bring environmentalism back into the picture.

Also, I don't think you understand what the two party system is. There's a Majority in the House and Senate and a Minority in the House and Senate. The Senate doesn't have a Third Party Leader and a Third Party Whip. There's no Coalition government here, which not only increases parliamentary efficiency ever so slightly, but also forces various factions to come to the table and actually agree on things if they want to get anywhere.

[Cheeto]

Except as I see it the problem with a 2 party system is that you end up with the arguments being based more off of politics (your idea is bad because you're a republican) and less about actual merit (your idea is good because it's cheap and effective).

[Penguin]

Except as I see it the problem with a 2 party system is that you end up with the arguments being based more off of politics (your idea is bad because you're a republican) and less about actual merit (your idea is good because it's cheap and effective).
That wouldn't change with a third (or more) party, though. The somewhat tribalistic attitude towards parties would still be there.

[Cheeto]

I was actually thinking more of a no-party system.

[2ltben]

I was actually thinking more of a no-party system.
Also known as the one-party system.

[Cheeto]

That makes no sense.

[Captain John Miller]

Both of them are insane imho, same msg but packaged differently.

I really like Ron Paul or even Huckabee, but sadly thanks to the media pushing Tweedledee and Tweedledum they wont ever see the light of day. America itself is on a path for destruction imho, we really belong removing our welfare state we created..

[Penguin]

I really like Ron Paul or even Huckabee
Because burying your head in the sand or setting up a virtual theocracy are brilliant, constitutional moves.

[2ltben]

There's more to elections than issues. Methodology plays a big role, which is exactly the difference between Obama and Clinton. Clinton wants to be a strong leader figure and change Washington herself, Obama tells America that it makes its government and that change can only be brought about through them.

[Fenris Wolf]

Well, it's a moot point anyway since Nader is going to steal enough of the Democratic votes to put another Republican in office. For the most part, I do like Obama, but I really can't see either one of them getting in office now. I just really really hope Hillary gets the fucking hint and disappears after she loses.

[Burris]

The closest to a real multi party system was TR's Progressive Party. Got very close.

[2ltben]

The closest to a real multi party system was TR's Progressive Party. Got very close.
No. It doesn't matter how many parties run in an election, the United States government just doesn't work like that. We have a winner-take-all plurality system of elections in the United States which vastly marginalizes minor parties to the point where they don't run to be elected, they run to raise issues. The only way for the United States to develop a major third party is to have a third stance on an issue that is substantially different from the two other parties possess. Compromising may work for a few years, but eventually the issues will change and the party will die.

And Teddy Roosevelt wanted little, if anything, to do with the "Progressive Party" because it didn't actually stand for anything. It was quite literally created just so Roosevelt could run against Taft. This means that the Progressive Party would have either merged back into the Republican Party or replaced it entirely, it wouldn't have remained a three party state because the only notable difference between Roosevelt and Taft was TR's environmentalism and their degrees of tolerance for corporate trusts. In the Legislative branch, the Progressive Party and Republican Party were, for all intents and purposes, identical. That's because they were, the only membership of the Progressives were Republicans who favored Roosevelt over Taft.

[Liebgott]

so I'll be pissed if tomorrow Hillary wins tomorrow

[2ltben]

There's a good chance that Hillary takes Ohio tomorrow. In Texas the two are essentially equal, but Obama has the better momentum. Still, those two are probably going to Hillary on the large-state-to-Clinton trend. There's essentially no polling data for Vermont and Rhode Island, but I'm guessing Obama will pick them up.

As for Pennsylvania and North Carolina, who knows. I don't have nearly enough polling data to call it.

[Cheeto]

Thing is, if either her or Obama gets Texas and Ohio, isn't the race basically over by that point?

[Burris]

No.

Hillary will win Rhode Island, probably Ohio, and Texas is up in the air. If she wins both she can EASILY say "Look, I got the big states, Obama only won his homestate, super delegates stay with me"

and they probably will. The much hyped youth vote for Texas is sounding a lot like California last month. Where they didn't show up as much as it was predicted at all.

[Crispulus]

Here's how it will turn out.
Hillary takes Ohio by 5.
Hillary takes RI by 8.
Obama and Hillary split Texas BUT Obama rocks the Texas caucus. Renember how we all love Obama's big black caucus? Obama takes the majority of Texas delegates AND CLINTON WILL SUE THE TEXAS DEMOCRATIC PARTY. JUST YOU WATCH.
Obama takes Vermont by 20.

Obama will have still more pledge delegates by Wed.

[Burris]

But he'll still have no proof he could win big states, (caucuses are the worst representation of states, imo.. couple thousand people deciding it for everyone...) despite National polls saying he will win popular vote (Which are never accurate, and the electoral college is state by state, not population allotment.)

[Cheeto]

Ah the electoral college. If you ever want to complicate an election, that's a primo way to do it.

[Azevedo]

Ah the electoral college. If you ever want to complicate an election, that's a primo way to do it.

The problem is the lack of a national primary, not the electoral college.

[Burris]

If you wanted a national primary Hillary Clinton would've won.

National Primaries don't allow little guys a chance at all.

[Azevedo]

If you wanted a national primary Hillary Clinton would've won.

National Primaries don't allow little guys a chance at all.

I don't care who would have won. It is better to give people OPTIONS opposed to having their vote mean nothing since candidates dropped before their state even held their primary.

[Burris]

I'd rather not have had Rudy Guiliani as the presidential nominee.

[Azevedo]

I'd rather not have had Rudy Guiliani as the presidential nominee.

As opposed to who, RINO McCain? It really doesn't matter since both sides of the election (except a few) are the same shit in a different package. The only difference is that the first states that vote play a larger role than the ones that vote last-to point where people who vote for a candidate only to have them drop out because of their 'early' performance, making their votes for nothing. At least with a national primary voters will choose their candidates based on personal preference, not 'vote for who they think will be elected'.

[Penguin]

Lessee. Pro-life, pro-gun, pro-war, anti-gay marriage, will appoint Republicans to government positions... oh yeah, only Republican in name only. :shifty: OHNOES HE DOESN'T APPROVE OF TORTURE THE RINOS AND GAY DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO RAPE US ALL WITH RAINBOW DILDOS

[Cheeto]

If McCain weren't pro-war, market driven health insurance, and anti-gay marriage I'd be alright with him. Not happy, mind you, but alright.

[Azevedo]

Lessee. Pro-life, pro-gun, pro-war, anti-gay marriage, will appoint Republicans to government positions... oh yeah, only Republican in name only. :shifty: OHNOES HE DOESN'T APPROVE OF TORTURE THE RINOS AND GAY DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO RAPE US ALL WITH RAINBOW DILDOS

I don't throw around the term RINO as a stab at McCain not following the GOP lines: most of the GOP aren't Republicans either and 99% of them suck. Both parties have a habit of sticking their noses where it does not belong, and this includes McCain.

[Penguin]

So you actually mean small-R republican, not Republican. :shifty:

[PrivateParts]

So, does obama have a vice president pick yet.
I change my prediction if its a obama/hillary combo.

[Burris]

Yeah he's probably picking himself. President of the Ego Brigade.

[2ltben]

The problem is the lack of a national primary, not the electoral college.
The US is just too large for that. Nation-wide primaries defeat the purpose of Federalism. Districting allows the will of the people of a certain geographic area to be heard and the Convention voting is the distribution of that will. There are better ways to do it than caucuses and the current Electoral College, but a proportional voting system isn't one of them.

[Rob]

Yeah he's probably picking himself. President of the Ego Brigade.
I think you've confused "him" with "her"...

[Cheeto]

Burris, you know that shit gets old?

[Burris]

That's exactly what I think about it.

[Crispulus]

If you wanted a national primary Hillary Clinton would've won.

National Primaries don't allow little guys a chance at all.


Obama still has the popular vote lead.

[Mr. Burns]

If you wanted a national primary Hillary Clinton would've won.

National Primaries don't allow little guys a chance at all.


Obama still has the popular vote lead.
And we all know the person who holds the popular vote is the one who gets elected.

[PrivateParts]

Usually.

Bush didnt have the popular vote, though still won the electoral during his first term as president.

[Mr. Burns]

Usually.

Bush didnt have the popular vote, though still won the electoral during his first term as president.
Your sarcasm detector needs adjustment. Also, your zombie repelling device is on the fritz.

[PrivateParts]

I blame global warming. And daylight savings time.

[Crispulus]

If you wanted a national primary Hillary Clinton would've won.

National Primaries don't allow little guys a chance at all.


Obama still has the popular vote lead.
And we all know the person who holds the popular vote is the one who gets elected.


States lately have been passing crazy laws that change their electoral votes to the national popular vote.

OH YEAH.

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WHAT NOW, HILLARY?

[PrivateParts]

I thought you were voting for ron paul anyway.

[Crispulus]

I thought you were voting for ron paul anyway.


I thought you were posting at Stormfront.

[AFG]

States lately have been passing crazy laws that change their electoral votes to the national popular vote.

OH YEAH.

Rtal0bsnJTQ



WHAT NOW, HILLARY?


At the end of that, he should of added 'bitch' and then totally drop the mic dave chappelle style.

[Azevedo]

The problem is the lack of a national primary, not the electoral college.
The US is just too large for that. Nation-wide primaries defeat the purpose of Federalism. Districting allows the will of the people of a certain geographic area to be heard and the Convention voting is the distribution of that will. There are better ways to do it than caucuses and the current Electoral College, but a proportional voting system isn't one of them.

Nation-wide primaries have absolutely nothing to do with the purpose of what Federalism seeks to accomplish. It is as if you are suggesting states will simply not exist if they all vote for their respective candidates on the same election day; this is simply not the case. What we have currently is a system of people sitting on the fence, riding it out to see who will win, and thus not voting their conscience. Because of this, a citizen's vote is meaningless since their candidate dropped out due to poor performance in a handful of primaries. That's a bigger threat to 'Federalism' than a national primary ever could be.

Furthermore, Gerrymandering and Districting does nothing but to utterly screw the voting populace out of having fair representation in government; that is of course you have no problems with your state representatives living across county lines for the sole purpose of being able to be elected more easily each year.

[blackguy32]

The problem is the lack of a national primary, not the electoral college.
The US is just too large for that. Nation-wide primaries defeat the purpose of Federalism. Districting allows the will of the people of a certain geographic area to be heard and the Convention voting is the distribution of that will. There are better ways to do it than caucuses and the current Electoral College, but a proportional voting system isn't one of them.

Nation-wide primaries have absolutely nothing to do with the purpose of what Federalism seeks to accomplish. It is as if you are suggesting states will simply not exist if they all vote for their respective candidates on the same election day; this is simply not the case. What we have currently is a system of people sitting on the fence, riding it out to see who will win, and thus not voting their conscience. Because of this, a citizen's vote is meaningless since their candidate dropped out due to poor performance in a handful of primaries. That's a bigger threat to 'Federalism' than a national primary ever could be.

Furthermore, Gerrymandering and Districting does nothing but to utterly screw the voting populace out of having fair representation in government; that is of course you have no problems with your state representatives living across county lines for the sole purpose of being able to be elected more easily each year.

Nation wide primaries favor politicians with name recognition and tons of money. Its not a good way to do thing. Although the first states in the primary need to rotate every so often so that every politician isn't simply catering to Iowa every time.

[BeetleBailey]

I'm not sure if this is bringing in or losing votes.

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[TylerDurden]

"WE DON'T NEED NO BLING, WE GOT THE REAL THING"

[Azevedo]

Nation wide primaries favor politicians with name recognition and tons of money. Its not a good way to do thing. Although the first states in the primary need to rotate every so often so that every politician isn't simply catering to Iowa every time.

It is no different when spread-out, media campaign wins. A national primary removes the bandwagon riders.

[2ltben]

Nation wide primaries favor politicians with name recognition and tons of money. Its not a good way to do thing. Although the first states in the primary need to rotate every so often so that every politician isn't simply catering to Iowa every time.

It is no different when spread-out, media campaign wins. A national primary removes the bandwagon riders.
Except for every time a dark horse wins. By making candidate selection independent of geography, you essentially tell the America outside of the cities to go screw itself. Honestly, how many people do you think will represent the rural population? What about the farming interests this country's agriculture industry depends upon? A national primary reflects the will of the mass media and urban middle class, which isn't exclusively America.

[Burris]

If you wanted a national primary Hillary Clinton would've won.

National Primaries don't allow little guys a chance at all.


Obama still has the popular vote lead.

What are you talking about? How did I say he didn't? I wasn't even talking about that.

[MeleeMe?]

I'm not sure if this is bringing in or losing votes.


Couldnt be any worse than this..

If you can make it through this entire video you are by far more of a man than I am.

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[Burris]

I got to 31 seconds before I stopped it!

[2ltben]

I got up to the chorus. It was either stop it or die of an anger stroke.

[Ginger Lord]

That video was awesome. It got more ridiculous the further in you got.

[MeleeMe?]

Its a little bit better with the cowbell I got going in my avatar but its still makes me want to shove an icepick in my ears and gauge my eyes out with a fork.

[AFG]

check out this jewel of a youtube vid

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[Cheeto]

Fuck I hate this bitch.

[Rob]

Yeah. A year or two ago I wouldn't have minded her at all, but her bullshit over the last few months has really put me off.

[2ltben]

Does she not know that this shit was on TV?

[Cheeto]

TV isn't real! Unless they say it is. Then it's life or death OMG serious! But if they say later on it wasn't real then it doesn't count. So probably they staged her Bosnia arrival on the soundstage they used for the moon landing.

What I wanna know is: she said they send the first lady instead of the president whenever there's too serious a security risk. So A) the president is willing to send his wife in to test the waters (you know hillary will do this to bill if she wins), and B) they honestly fucking think that she's not equally as tempting a target as he is?

[2ltben]

If someone doesn't know the difference between landing in a warzone under gunfire and landing to a reception of dozens, including the nation's President and groups of children, well... damn, that's just idiocy of a level that should be unacceptable. Why the fuck is she even a Senator, let alone a Presidential candidate? I mean Mike Gravel's fucking insane, but got damn, at least he's cognizant of his surroundings.

[Azevedo]

Hahah, the Pointer sisters. LOL