Willie Nelson is a Troofer

[TylerDurden]

http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/ ... -industry/ (http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2008/02/07/another-troofer-in-the-entertainment-industry/)


“Troofer”: An individual belonging to a group known as the 9/11 “Truthers”; a managerie of wack-job conspiracy theorists who believe that either the government had specific warnings of the impending attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, or worse, that it was behind the attacks.

They can now add Willie Nelson to their ranks:


Other celebrities who have questioned 9/11 include Ed Asner, Rosie O’Donnell, Martin Sheen, James Brolin, David Lynch, former Dallas Cowboys lineman Mark Stepnoski, actor Mark Ruffalo and many others.

i've been reading website after website about troofers, and basically the people who hate their guts. My main question is this : Yes they have many names for these people, and speak low of them. However, not one of these websites takes the time, nor seems to have the ability to disprove anything. All they seem to do is is have the ability to coin "witty" nicknames.

Is the reason they feel they don't have to prove anything, or even disprove, because the government said so ? thats enough ?

[Mr. Burns]

The reason they don't have to dis/prove anything is because it's covered as nauseum across the intarwebs.

[Ginger Lord]

I watched a really good youtube video that explained in depth how it was a plane that hit the pentagon and covered all the "but it..." angles. I'll have to find it.

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[Cheeto]

My favorite was the theory it was a missile with a holographic generator that hit the Pentagon.

[Penguin]

I refer you to the following informative sites:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6243624912447824934

There Is No 9/11 Conspiracy You Morons (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)

[2ltben]

What about that group of physicists that gave evidence that the towers would have to collapse all at once, not have the floors pancake one on top of the other (which would have taken about 6 times longer to collapse)?

[Burris]

These are truly the dumbest people on the planet.

And that documentary was horribly constructed.

[TylerDurden]

i remember watching something about the pentagon, and how all of the parking lot cameras caught no plane on tape, and it looks like the damn building just explodes.

i also remember hearing about planes hitting the towers, and how the metal can withstand a certain amount of heat, and even if a 747 hit one of the towers, there isn't enough heat produced to melt the beams ?

I really don't care for how it went down, what kind of holographic generator missile was used, things like that.

i just don't understand why people would go to such great lengths to discredit the government.

you gotta also note certain things that the government HAS done, and we know about. Like Grenada.

[jordan]

I don't believe in the conspiracies but I find it difficult to believe a passport can survive a passenger plane crash at 400+ MPH

[TylerDurden]

I refer you to the following informative sites:

A thorough debunking of "Loose Change" (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561)

A thorough debunking of "9/11 Mysteries" (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6243624912447824934)

There Is No 9/11 Conspiracy You Morons (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)


In that first video, the warning is pretty bad. Fox news the same people who said that bush was president, even though he didn't win ! and made all of America believe bush won ? If you don't believe that, fox made a public statement saying "sorry, we tricked you" So anything having to do with Fox news and all its other programs, i don't believe.

I'd have to say thats the worst warning i've ever seen. Not talking about using loose changes footage either.
It reminds me of this "welcome to the best ride in the world, its called the nut kicker, step right up" you don't have to step right up to know what will happen.

The second video takes words and writings and fucks with them. Im not stupid, i heard what he said, just because you have a little black bar at the bottom doesn't mean im going to disregard what he just said, that is complete bull shit right there, anyone willing to fall for that is hopeless.

"I believe that there is a small, reptile-like creature called Chupacabra that sucks the blood of goats in Mexico." - some dooder

ok, im sorry but that website is garbage.

[Cole]

Project for the New American Century: Neo Conservative think tank, describes the need for a new pearl harbor.
Operation North woods: High up military planning pertaining to false flag attacks on us interests, Including, hijacking, hostages, and bombings, and attacks on military bases inside Cuba.
Gulf of Tonkin Incident:False flag op which kicked off the Vietnam war.
Sinking of the Lusitania:Germans ran adds in our own papers on top of political warnings for weeks/months not to send any ships into occupied waters and that Americans should not board the Lusitania, the Lusitania was carrying munitions, we ignored these warnings, The Germans sunk this ship, Thus killing Americans, thus giving us out reason to enter the first world war.

There are many events both that went through and that were planned in detail, and many more we haven't or may never hear about, that gives us all the reason in the world not to trust a damn thing this Government does.


does that mean Government as a whole is evil? or your friend the judge, or friend the senator or whatever else is in on this stuff? No, It just means just like everywhere else, criminal elements infiltrate and corrupt things, a small group of dedicated and evil people can unleash a cluster fuck.

Do I think terrorists hijacked some planes? Yeah, but the question is how many...
Do I believe the hologram bs? Hell no.


All i can say for certain is this, Government has a history of this bs, And that all the right people, were in all the right places, at all the right times, and are now making a hell of a lot of money off of this awfully convenient bi product.


It should be noted I'm not a Truther, It should also be noted, I'm not a sheep.

There are to many damn coincidences for anyone to just stand by and be a silent obedient doggy.

[TylerDurden]

It should be noted I'm not a Truther, It should also be noted, I'm not a sheep.


It's official, Cole is a bad ass !

i ain't no truther and i ain't no stinking sheep neither :manji:

[Penguin]

i remember watching something about the pentagon, and how all of the parking lot cameras caught no plane on tape, and it looks like the damn building just explodes.

Eh, it's crappy security camera footage. Half of the robbers caught on tape robbing a 7-11 probably manage to punch the clerk in between frames. Doesn't mean they happened to walk by when the clerk suddenly had a seizure, letting them reach over and steal the money.


i also remember hearing about planes hitting the towers, and how the metal can withstand a certain amount of heat, and even if a 747 hit one of the towers, there isn't enough heat produced to melt the beams?

You don't have to melt the steel to cause the towers to collapse. When the fuel ignited everything inside the buildings, the heat weakened the steel enough to cause a collapse without melting it.


i just don't understand why people would go to such great lengths to discredit the government.

It's not so much about discrediting the government as believing in it as an all-powerful, ruthless entity that's pursuing its own agenda.

In that first video, the warning is pretty bad. Fox news the same people who said that bush was president, even though he didn't win ! and made all of America believe bush won ? If you don't believe that, fox made a public statement saying "sorry, we tricked you" So anything having to do with Fox news and all its other programs, i don't believe.

I'd have to say thats the worst warning i've ever seen. Not talking about using loose changes footage either.
It reminds me of this "welcome to the best ride in the world, its called the nut kicker, step right up" you don't have to step right up to know what will happen.

What are you going on about? :shrug:


The second video takes words and writings and fucks with them. Im not stupid, i heard what he said, just because you have a little black bar at the bottom doesn't mean im going to disregard what he just said, that is complete bull shit right there, anyone willing to fall for that is hopeless.

Dude, that's the point. It's responding to what's being said in the video. Did you not see the previous video?


"I believe that there is a small, reptile-like creature called Chupacabra that sucks the blood of goats in Mexico." - some dooder

ok, im sorry but that website is garbage.
Well, he does have a point.

[TylerDurden]

lmao

what you said about the video cameras, is true. good point.

[Fenris Wolf]

I actually got in an argument with one of those people at Publix a couple months ago. Here I am, in my uniform (I'm a pilot, so you can imagine why he picked my line) and started going on and on about how come a kerosene heater doesn't melt in your house and all that nonsense. I tried to ignore it, I really did. But finally he said "Hey buddy, you're a pilot, back me up here" because the girl he was talking to kept ignoring him. I looked at him and said "you've no idea what you're talking about." Which of course riled him up and he kept saying that I need to educate myself and all this. I of course, being the fine upstanding person that I am immediately lashed in to him with every example he brought up, smashing everything he had held dear for the past several years. My favorite was when I patiently explained to him about how steel doesn't need to melt to lose most of it's integrity, and when you've got an aircraft that can hold 50,000 gallons of jet fuel and you pour it all on place and ignite it, shits gonna drop.

I was cheered.

[Crispulus]

So, does that mean Nelson is voting for Ron Paul?

http://www.youtube.com/v/B5BJzEshMes

How the fuck do I embed video here?

[Penguin]

Take the "B5BJzEshMes" part of the URL and put it between YT tags, like such:

B5BJzEshMes

[engineer]

This thread is laughable.

[Penguin]

This thread is laughable.
:orly:

[Cole]

So, does that mean Nelson is voting for Ron Paul?


why would he support Ron Paul?

Paul is on record for saying 9/11 conspiracies are crazy...

[Penguin]

So, does that mean Nelson is voting for Ron Paul?


why would he support Ron Paul?
Because that's what all the other Troofers are doing.

[engineer]

After watching this, I now beleive there is a large-scale conspiracy behind 9/11:

HxklB-PR7kA

[AFG]

After watching this, I now beleive there is a large-scale conspiracy behind 9/11:

HxklB-PR7kA

ah fuck i got rickrolled

[Loco]

There are a lot of things in Loose Change and Loose Change SE2 that I have issues with.

Looking at the whole Twin Towers thing, there a a shedload of fire behaviour things that I can't understand as far as the collapse goes.

I'm privvy to a good few many internal reports/tech bulletins and issues from the FDNY and elsewhere that have been circulated around the globe and for security reasons, I can't expand much on them on a publicly viewed forum, but suffice to say, the evidence that Loose Change presents on the subject of collapse and fire behaviour is sustainable and pretty accurate.

I just dont know what to believe on the whole thing.

Willy Nelson roxxors either way....

/"On the road again, just can't wait to get on the road again....."

[Mr. Burns]

There are a lot of things in Loose Change and Loose Change SE2 that I have issues with.

Looking at the whole Twin Towers thing, there a a shedload of fire behaviour things that I can't understand as far as the collapse goes.

I'm privvy to a good few many internal reports/tech bulletins and issues from the FDNY and elsewhere that have been circulated around the globe and for security reasons, I can't expand much on them on a publicly viewed forum, but suffice to say, the evidence that Loose Change presents on the subject of collapse and fire behaviour is sustainable and pretty accurate.

I just dont know what to believe on the whole thing.

Willy Nelson roxxors either way....

/"On the road again, just can't wait to get on the road again....."
Loco, have you seen the refutations of the Loose Change movies? They go point-by-point and explain how some things in the movies are either inaccurate or incompletely analyzed.

[engineer]

It's all Rick Astley's fault!

[Cole]

Ill just say this about loose change, In several areas they may valid points, in others they attempt to cling onto what they want to be true even though they have no basis for it.

One thing that is certain, A lot of things just don't add up, To many coincidences, To many unanswered questions, And trails that lead to all the right people in all the right places at all the right times.

What that means I do not know, But something isn't right with this picture.

[Mr. Burns]

On the contrary I would say everything adds up perfectly. People (and I think Americans in particular) think that things which cause a huge effect must be big, elaborate, and complicated. In fact, that's not always the case. Sometimes the simplest solution really is the right one.

So, a challenge: anyone who can produce a "fact" about the 9/11 attacks that can't be easily refuted gets a cookie.

[Burris]

After watching this, I now beleive there is a large-scale conspiracy behind 9/11:

HxklB-PR7kA

ah fuck i got rickrolled

Is it bad I clicked on it after reading that just to hear the song?

[Cheeto]

So, a challenge: anyone who can produce a "fact" about the 9/11 attacks that can't be easily refuted gets a cookie.
Ummm...just before the attacks I had a breakfast club sandwich?

[engineer]

After watching this, I now beleive there is a large-scale conspiracy behind 9/11:

HxklB-PR7kA

ah fuck i got rickrolled

Is it bad I clicked on it after reading that just to hear the song?

Voluntary Rickrolling..... Fascinating.