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Rob
Apr 29th, 2008, 02:20 AM
Jesus...


Austrian 'admits daughter abuse'

A 73-year-old Austrian man has confessed to imprisoning his daughter in a cellar for 24 years and fathering her seven children, police have said.

Police said Josef Fritzl also admitted burning the body of a baby that died at the house in Amstetten, Lower Austria.

Mr Fritzl has been taken to court while authorities are caring for the woman, now 42, and her six surviving children.

Photos of the man's basement show a concealed network of tiny windowless chambers which were soundproofed.

Prosecutors say Mr Fritzl is expected to be taken into protective custody after appearing before a magistrate.

The woman, Elisabeth, disappeared aged 18 on 28 August 1984 when, according to her testimony to police, her father lured her into the cellar, drugging and handcuffing her before locking her up.

She is reported to have been made to write a letter which made it look as if she had run away.

The head of the criminal affairs bureau in Lower Austria, Franz Polzer, said Mr Fritzl had admitted sexually abusing his daughter repeatedly during the time he imprisoned her.

Mr Polzer said Mr Fritzl told investigators Elisabeth had given birth to seven children, including twins in 1996, but one died shortly after being born and that he had thrown the body into an incinerator in the building.

The surviving children are now aged between five and 19 years.


The cellar rooms, covering an area of approximately 60 sq m (650 sq ft), were equipped for sleeping and cooking, and with sanitary facilities.

A reinforced concrete door was built into the wall that separated the "dungeon" from the house and electronically locked - the code known only to the suspect, who provided his captives with food and necessities, police said.

Three of the children were kept in the cellar with their mother and had never seen daylight, police told a news conference.

The other three children were adopted or fostered by the suspect, after he forced Elisabeth to write a letter saying she could not look after the baby, according to police.

His wife, Rosemarie, with whom he had seven of their own children, appears to have been unaware of the alleged crimes.

The security chief for Lower Austria, Franz Prucher, said he had been down into the cellar where it was easy to understand how the abuse was not discovered.

"The cellar is very deep," he said. "There you can cry and nobody will hear, nobody. There you can cry as loud as you can, you can hear nothing."

The alleged abuse and Mr Fritzl's apparent double life came to light when the eldest of the children in the cellar, 19-year-old Kerstin, became seriously ill earlier this month and had to be taken to hospital.


A television appeal by medical staff for the patient's mother was seen by Elisabeth on a TV set in the cellar and she urged her father to let her go to hospital.

Police arrested Mr Fritzl shortly afterwards and took all the children into care.

"If you look at him today, you would hardly believe he was capable of doing these things. This man led a double life for 24 years," said Mr Polzer.

He said it was incredible that it had been kept secret for all that time.

Both the father and Elisabeth say no one else had access to the cellar, according to police, who are appealing to anyone with information about Mr Fritzl to contact them.

Asked why the captives had not tried to escape before, Mr Polzer said one had to consider the fact that the woman was small and weak and even the eldest boy, now 18, was "a small boy, a weak boy".

"You have to put yourself into the situation of these people," he said. "They led a completely different life to ours, they do not know what we know. These children were born into the jail, they knew nothing else."

"Illness"

Kerstin is said to be in a coma in hospital.

The head of the intensive care unit at the Amstetten hospital, Albert Reiter, said the impact of her experiences would eventually become clearer.

"The connection between the effects of 20 years without daylight, the incest and other illnesses, we will research in the coming hours and days," he said.

The media were told the other children who had been kept in the cellar were in surprising physical health, but very pale.

The region's district governor, Hans-Heinz Lenze, said he had spoken to the five-year-old boy.

"He even told me how happy he was and how fantastic it was to ride in a real car," he said.

Help offer

Journalist Andreas Wetz, of the daily newspaper Die Presse, told the BBC the suspect's neighbours in Amstetten, a small town about 130km (80 miles) west of Vienna, were in shock at the revelations.

"The man who is said to have done this, they said he was funny, he talked to neighbours, he might be a little introverted, but they had no idea that this person could do this," he said.

The BBC's Bethany Bell says the case is reminiscent of that of Natascha Kampusch, the Austrian teenager held captive in a cellar in a house in a Vienna suburb for eight years, who ran to freedom in 2006.

While police are not connecting the two cases, many Austrians are asking how such matters went undiscovered, she says.

Miss Kampusch, now 20, has offered to help the victims. She told Austria's ORF radio: "I can imagine that it is very difficult both for the mother of the children as well as for the wife of the perpetrator to get through this."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7371043.stm

MeleeMe?
Apr 29th, 2008, 04:03 AM
This story is sooooo sick. I dont even know what to say.

Rob
Apr 29th, 2008, 04:13 AM
I have a hard time even imagining what the reunion between daughter and mother must have been like.

Faceman
Apr 29th, 2008, 05:33 AM
I'm sure the mother knew, I don't care what they say. Also I've seen some of the place on the news. I couldn't imagine living down there for all those years. Imagine the stench.

I'd like to see photos of the family too.

Stephenson
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:11 AM
I hope they castrate him.

Rob
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:42 AM
I'm sure the mother knew, I don't care what they say. Also I've seen some of the place on the news. I couldn't imagine living down there for all those years. Imagine the stench.
Yeah, I have a hard time believing she didn't know as well. Seriously....enough groceries to feed an extra seven people? Not to mention how much it would cost, plus all the miscellaneous items needed when raising children....
"Hey honey, happy 68th birthday, do you mind picking up some baby diapers when you're at the store?"
"Baby diapers? What for?"
"Oh, no reason."



I'd like to see photos of the family too.
I can't help but wonder if they're incest-deformed, or if they've come out (somewhat) normally. The oldest one is what, 18? And they've never seen daylight before....how pale and unwell these kids must be...


I hope they castrate him.
Yes, medieval punishment is exactly what's needed. Let's burn the useless nuts off of a geriatric :rolleyes:

Penguin
Apr 29th, 2008, 06:55 AM
I hope they castrate him.
A bit late for that. Stringing him up by his own entrails would be much more effective.

Maxey
Apr 29th, 2008, 01:02 PM
A daily routine of violent sexual assault by multiple big men and several beatings a day still wouldn't be enough to punish that sick fuck.

Burris
Apr 29th, 2008, 01:12 PM
This is fucked up. Austria is a shitty place. Germany should annex it.

Stephenson
Apr 29th, 2008, 02:59 PM
This is fucked up. Austria is a shitty place. Germany should annex it.
Or invade it.

Rob
Apr 29th, 2008, 03:10 PM
This is fucked up. Austria is a shitty place. Germany should annex it.
Or invade it.
:picard:

Rob
Apr 30th, 2008, 06:33 AM
Update:


Austrian vigil for cellar family

Hundreds of people have held an emotional candlelit vigil in the Austrian town where Josef Fritzl kept his daughter in a cellar for 24 years.

The residents of Amstetten were showing solidarity for the woman, Elisabeth, and the children she bore him.

"We want to show that Amstetten is not a town for criminals", said the mayor.

Police say DNA evidence confirms Mr Fritzl's confession that he is the father of his daughter Elisabeth's six surviving children.

Several hundred people gathered for an emotional tribute on Tuesday evening to Mr Fritzl's family.

The event was organised by a local convent school. Children, their parents, teachers and nuns lit candles and stood in the rain to express their solidarity and outrage.

'Appeared normal'

Officials said Elisabeth, now 42, and three children who had lived with her in the cellar had an "astonishing" reunion with her other children, who lived an apparently normal life with Mr Fritzl as his "grandchildren".

The two halves of the family met at the clinic where they are receiving psychiatric treatment.

Mr Fritzl's wife, who was told by her husband that their daughter had run away from home to join a religious cult, also had an emotional meeting with her daughter, officials said.

Three of the children were kept in the cellar with their mother and had never seen daylight until their release a few days ago.

The other three were adopted or fostered by Mr Fritzl, after he forced Elisabeth to write letters saying she could not look after them.

Lower Austria police chief Franz Polzer said the 73-year-old, had completely deceived his wife, his family and authorities in the town, 75 miles (120 kilometres) west of Vienna.

Social workers had made regular visits to the family, officials said, but found nothing out of the ordinary.

They had reported that Mr Fritzl's wife was attentive, and that the children living upstairs played musical instruments and were involved with clubs at school, where they were doing well.

Regarding the cellar itself, Amstetten authorities authorised the building of an extension with a basement to the Fritzl property in 1978, city spokesman Hermann Gruber told the APA.

Inspectors who had examined the project in 1983 - the year before Elisabeth went missing - said nothing looked suspicious, the APA reported.

Reunion

Mr Fritzl has been detained for a further 14 days by a regional court in the provincial capital of St Poelten. On the advice of his lawyer, he did not speak to the examining magistrate.

His lawyer told the BBC that although Mr Fritzl showed no signs of remorse, he looked very sad and "emotionally broken".

Berthold Kepplinger, director of the psychiatric clinic at a local hospital, said Elisabeth had been reunited with five of her six children and her mother there on Sunday morning.

"It was astonishing how easily it happened - how the mother and grandmother came together," he said.

Elisabeth's eldest child, 19-year-old Kerstin, became seriously ill earlier this month and had to be taken to hospital, where she is currently in a coma.

She was imprisoned by Mr Fritzl along with her 18- and 5-year-old brothers, police said.

Police have said there is no evidence to suggest the grandmother, Rosemarie, nor any of the children she had with Mr Fritzl, were aware of any of the alleged crimes.

Fishing club member

Mr Kepplinger said the family members had interacted very naturally, although he said two of the children who had spent their lives underground had a way of communicating that was "anything but normal".

He said Elisabeth had spoken "quite a lot" about what she had gone through in captivity, but he declined to provide details.

"It was definitely dreadful for her and for her children," he added.

Police are continuing to search both the upstairs flat and the cellar where Elisabeth and three of her children were held.

Mr Fritzl, a dues-paying member of Amstetten's fishing club, faces up to 15 years in prison if he is convicted of raping and beating his daughter, and sequestration.

They are also considering charges of "murder through failure to act" in connection with the death of one of the seven children he fathered.

Mr Fritzl has admitted burning the infant's body shortly after it died, police said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7374647.stm

Up to 15 years in prison? For sexual abuse and forced confinement of his own daughter for 24 years? For essentially robbing three children of normal lives, to say nothing of the one child that died? That hardly seems just at all.

But then, I wonder if a 73 year old man will even last 15 years in prison, not to mention one convicted of crimes like this.

MeleeMe?
Apr 30th, 2008, 06:43 AM
I would imagine he wouldn't last one year in an American prison considering the crimes he committed. If there is ONE good thing I can say about prisoners in America its that there is certain shit that they do not tolerate. Crimes against women and especially children are definitely high on their list. I hope this sick bastard dies in jail lonely and in pain.

WHEATLEY007
Apr 30th, 2008, 09:08 AM
Its pretty much the same in the UK prisons, so I guess its the same over there.

El Capitan
Apr 30th, 2008, 10:53 AM
It wasn't even that concealed, I really just don't know how the mother could not know. Of course she is going to say she didn't, regardless.

Rob
May 8th, 2008, 01:04 PM
Good lord....the man is actually defending himself.... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7389536.stm)


Mr Fritzl reportedly criticised media-coverage of his case as "totally one-sided", and added that he was "not a monster".

Mr Fritzl's alleged crimes came to light when Elisabeth's eldest daughter Kerstin, 19, became seriously ill.

She was allowed out of the cellar and admitted to hospital in Amstetten - where she remains in an artificial coma.

"Without me [she] would not be alive anymore... I was the one who made sure that she was taken to a hospital," Mr Fritzl said.

"I could have killed all of them - then nothing would have happened. No-one would have ever known about it," he added.

:picard:

WHEATLEY007
May 8th, 2008, 04:23 PM
^^ Yar, this just gets better (or TBH, worse and worse). Certainly some deranged people in the world with some fucked up views

PoolShark
May 10th, 2008, 09:22 PM
This story makes me physically ill. I wish it never happened and that I had never heard of such a thing. This is so demented and horrible I can't even put into words how it makes me feel. Some days I feel that I am against capital punishment, and then on others I find that there are just SOME people in this world that you can't live with. They aren't capable in living in a world with the rest of us and need to be taken out.

Koobazaur
May 15th, 2008, 07:00 AM
These sort of people should be banned from life.

Burris
May 15th, 2008, 01:56 PM
ANSCHLUSS