Why the hell are they calling this mosque they want to build in Manhattan "Cordoba house?"

[Latzen]

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have to.

Thank you. Right? Yes. Wise? No.

[Zao]

Faceman has it. I'm all for religious freedom, but I feel this does nothing positive for Islam. Not there, not now. Not anytime soon.

[Rob]

Except for that whole pesky inconvenient it's not at Ground Zero thing. It's a couple of blocks away. Other locations in this ludicrously broad definition of "hallowed ground" are
- vendors selling kitschy 9/11 memorabilia to cash in on it
- a Dunkin Donuts
- a Burger King
- an Irish bar
- a run down BBQ takeout place
- a McDonalds
- a bookie's
- a strip club


Yeah, hallowed ground. The pseudo-racist butthurt over this is so laughable, it isn't.

http://daryllang.com/blog/4421

[Faceman]

If McDonalds workers got together, hijacked a plane, then threw it into the towers, I doubt you'd see a McDonalds nearby and if so, people would protest. Does that mean to say that all McDonalds workers are bad people? No. Are some of them bent on creating fear by killing innocent people in a rage of justified revenge? Yes.

If the mosque/Islamic community center is actually created (with help from terrorist organizations of course) then let's pool our money and put a gay bar across the street. Hey, why not? We can.

You can play devil's advocate all you want Rob but do not dismiss the fact that it's a sensitive subject; disrespectful to the families of those who died on September 11th, NYC, our Nation and the coincidence of this center and it's location is undeniable.



They won't build it! Hardhats vow not to work on controversial mosque near Ground Zero

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...#ixzz0xCED3nI1

[Rob]

If McDonalds workers got together, hijacked a plane, then threw it into the towers, I doubt you'd see a McDonalds nearby and if so, people would protest. Does that mean to say that all McDonalds workers are bad people? No. Are some of them bent on creating fear by killing innocent people in a rage of justified revenge? Yes.

And that's the rub, isn't it? Why should an entire group be ostracized because of the horrific acts committed by a few? Why is it that priests are allowed to continue to minister to children, when some priests have been found guilty of molestation? Surely no priests should be allowed near children, it would be insensitive to the victims of molestation in the past, right?

If the mosque/Islamic community center is actually created (with help from terrorist organizations of course)

The Imam supporting the community centre--the founder of the whole initiative--is actually a former Bush Jr.-era foreign representative to the Middle East, tasked with improving Muslim-Mid-East/American relations. He's the founder of the Cordoba Initiative group, whose entire purpose is "improving Muslim-West relations".

then let's pool our money and put a gay bar across the street. Hey, why not? We can.

Funny you should say that. I saw that a few days ago and laughed. If the zoning allows for it, why not? It's Manhattan, go for it.


Going off topic here a bit, I thought this was rather interesting and somewhat relevant to the broader issues at hand here.

[Zao]

The Imam supporting the community centre--the founder of the whole initiative--is actually a former Bush Jr.-era foreign representative to the Middle East, tasked with improving Muslim-Mid-East/American relations. He's the founder of the Cordoba Initiative group, whose entire purpose is "improving Muslim-West relations".

So the fuck what? It doesn't matter who's pushing this, the reaction of the people cannot be denied or assuaged by causality. "One 'aw, shit' undoes a thousand 'attaboy's" So this guy has been a champion of peace and multi-culturality. That won't be what he's remembered for if this goes through. He'll remembered as the guy who built the mosque near ground zero and I'm not sure that's a legacy that befits him.

Funny you should say that. I saw that a few days ago and laughed. If the zoning allows for it, why not? It's Manhattan, go for it.


Going off topic here a bit, I thought this was rather interesting and somewhat relevant to the broader issues at hand here.

Different country, different people, different circumstances and honestly? Not applicable.

Rob, you cannot force healing. You cannot force understanding. You cannot undo what has been done. I love how the biggest proponents of this project are foreigners and specifically, not New Yorkers. And that bullet-list? Yeah, that's shit that helps make New York New York. Normalcy. Not so blatant a salt on a still-fresh wound. I have a lot of respect for you, but sometimes, you need to let the devil's advocate activist shit go and try to empathize with the other other side. You cannot understand a social problem unless you look at it from all viewpoints. Are we all forgetting that there's, as yet, a lot of still-fresh agitation directed at Islam in that neighborhood? So what does building a mosque there serve? Not islam, and certainly not the peaceful muslims that would frequent it.

To be clear, I'm not having a knee-jerk reaction here. I understand that religious freedom is a right guaranteed under our constitution. However, I also understand that most religion's primary goal is peace. This does not accomplish that for either side, and that is a disservice to us all. Yes, they can build whatever they want wherever. It doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it appropriate. If New York isn't ready for a mosque in close proximity to a death-ground, then it shouldn't be built. Simple as.

[Faceman]

Not being from America, not being from New York, not being from Manhattan. Easy to be an armchair apologist.

[Rob]

Perspective.

I suppose Japanese people shouldn't be allowed to live in Hawaii either, because it might offend victims and families of victims of Pearl Harbor.

Or are we only allowed to stop hatin' once a generation has mostly died off?

[Face]

Japan is progressive, Islam is regressive.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100815/...pan_war_shrine

[Rob]

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Just because the American newsmedia doesn't report on it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.