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    US-held terror suspects 'abused'
    Medical examinations of former terror suspects held by US troops showed proof of physical and psychological torture, a US-based human rights group said.


    The Physicians for Human Rights group cited beatings, sexual abuse, electric shock, isolation and forced nakedness. It said the 11 men - all freed without charge from US military jails in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay - were suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. The White House maintains that the US has treated all detainees humanely.

    The 121-page report said the medical examinations provided "evidence of violation of criminal laws prohibiting torture and of the commission of war crimes by US personnel". It said that since only 11 detainees were examined the findings could not be "generalised to the treatment of all detainees in US custody". But it said the evidence was consistent with the findings of other investigations "making it reasonable to conclude that these detainees were not the only ones abused, but are representative of a much larger number of detainees subjected to torture and ill treatment". The group drew their conclusions from two-day clinical evaluations of each of the men.

    Four of the men, arrested in Afghanistan between 2001 and 2003, spent about three years at Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba before being released without charge. The remaining seven were detained in Iraq in 2003 and were held at Abu Ghraib prison, until their release later that year or in 2004.

    One of the doctors, Allen Keller, said: "As a physician with more than 15 years of experience evaluating and caring for torture victims from all over the world, the torture and abuse these men were subjected to in Abu Ghraib and the resulting trauma are second to none."
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    http://physiciansforhumanrights.org/torture/

    In response to the systematic infliction of psychological and physical torture by US forces, PHR's Campaign Against Torture seeks to restore the US commitment against torture, to ensure humane treatment of detainees, and to protect US health personnel from complicity in mistreatment and harm.
    What they call torture, another calls interrogation. Their liberal campaign got that article printed as news.

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    "cited beatings, sexual abuse, electric shock, isolation and forced nakedness"

    I suppose I could let forced nakedness and even isolation go, but beatings, sexual abuse, and electric shock?

    And isn't it crossing the line if people who have been let go are suffering from shellshock? What about the people still in custody?

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    I wonder if it equals the hell the victims of terror have endured.

    I certainly hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrivateParts
    I wonder if it equals the hell the victims of terror have endured.

    I certainly hope so.
    The problem with that is when you start doing it to people you aren't sure actually ARE terrorists.
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    Like that matters to the victims of terrorism?

    Russia shoots terrorists in the head so they can't come back. No one bitches about that...

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    Like that matters to the victims of terrorism?

    Russia shoots terrorists in the head so they can't come back. No one bitches about that...
    Again, the problem comes when you (the good guys, the western world, etc) start rounding up people on flimsy pretenses of terrorism and behaving the same way.

    The phrase "If we behave as terrorists we become terrorists" is meaningful.
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    flimsy? What reason to Saudis have to be in Iraq, all hiding in one or two houses that are pointed out by Iraqis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burris
    flimsy? What reason to Saudis have to be in Iraq, all hiding in one or two houses that are pointed out by Iraqis?
    That's it? That's your one case you'll bring up to say we should grab people and torture them? Someone says so?

    Yeah, go and investigate, but there is a difference between torture and interrogation. It's not exactly beyond the realm of imagination for one Iraqi to go "hey, I don't like that asshole that stiffed me a tip the other day. I'm gonna tell the Americans he's a terrorist."

    Imagine the fun that we'll have when some joe-blow Saudi businessman is picked up as a terrorist suspect because he was behaving sneakily, talking on a cell phone, and kept to himself in his hotel room, tortured for information, only to find out 'Oh shit he's here for legitmate business reasons trying to win a contract against some competing companies for reconstruction contracts.'

    Shit, there was an Iraqi who was an American informant, gave the US Army a lot of valuable information, then someone fingered him as being a terrorist. They hauled him in, beat him, threw him in a cold cell, starved him, and then found out the guy who ratted him out actually had been lying the whole time and had done so because he didn't like the informant. That was it. A valuable source of information pissed away.
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    Really, where did you read about that?

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