*sigh* Humanization of people who care nothing for humanity.

[Burris]

A videotape of a detainee being questioned at the US prison camp in Guantanamo Bay has been released for the first time.
It shows 16-year-old Omar Khadr being asked by Canadian officials in 2003 about events leading up to his capture by US forces, Canadian media have said.
The Canadian citizen is accused of throwing a grenade that killed a US soldier in Afghanistan in 2002.
He is seen in a distressed state and complaining about the medical care.
The footage was made public by Mr Khadr's lawyers following a Supreme Court ruling in May that the Canadian authorities had to hand over key evidence against him to allow a full defence of the charges he is facing.
'Help me'
Mr Khadr, the only Westerner still held at the jail, was 15 when he was captured by US forces during a gun battle at a suspected al-Qaeda camp in Afghanistan.
During the 10-minute video of his questioning in Guantanamo a year later, he can be seen crying, his face buried in his hands, and pulling at his hair. He can be heard repeatedly chanting: "Help me."

I hope Canadians will be outraged to see the callous and disgraceful treatment of a Canadian youth
Dennis Edney
Lawyer for Omar Khadr

At one point he lifts his orange shirt to show the foreign ministry official and agents from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) wounds on his back and stomach which he says he sustained in Afghanistan.
"I'm not a doctor, but I think you're getting good medical care," one of the officials responds.
Mr Khadr says: "No I'm not. You're not here... I lost my eyes. I lost my feet. Everything!" in reference to how his vision and physical health were affected.
"No, you still have your eyes and your feet are still at the end of your legs, you know," a man says.
Sobbing uncontrollably, Mr Khadr tells the officials several times: "You don't care about me."
In an accompanying classified document describing the interrogation, Mr Khadr also says he was tortured while being held at the US military detention centre at Bagram air base in Afghanistan.
Public outcry?
The White House maintains that the US has treated all detainees held at Guantanamo in a humane way.

Mr Khadr was 15 when he was captured by US forces
The Bush administration argues that it needs flexibility and those it calls terrorists cannot be treated as if they are simply criminal defendants.
But one of Mr Khadr's lawyers, Dennis Edney, said he hoped the video would cause an outcry in Canada and pressure Prime Minister Stephen Harper to demand that the US does not prosecute their client.
"I hope Canadians will be outraged to see the callous and disgraceful treatment of a Canadian youth," Mr Edney told the Toronto Star.
"Canadians should demand to know why they've been lied to."
Mr Harper reiterated last week that he would not interfere in Mr Khadr's military tribunal, due to begin at Guantanamo on 8 October.
Mr Khadr, now 21, faces multiple terrorism-related charges, the most serious of which is murder. He faces up to life in prison if convicted.

You throw a grenade at one of our soldiers, you should rot in jail. I have no sympathy for you scum bag.

[President Shrub]

As a 15 yr old, Khadr was brought into ranks of the terrorists/insurgency by his father. Thus it is a difficult position for those prosecuting him, as well as for the sake of Canadian-US relations, due to the fact that it can be interpreted that Khadr had no choice and was conditioned/"brainwashed" for battle, or that he fought on his own accord. Also, the records of the battle are sketchy as well, with soldiers' accounts differing as to who actually threw the grenade, and when Khadr was shot in the back.

Think of it this way. If you're a 15 yr old kid, and your dad is a high-ranking terrorist, can you really say no? After that? do you run away or something?

It doesn't really matter though. He'll be released. The guys at guantanamo have no use of him after 3 years of interrogation.

[Dr. Crawford]

for once i agree with burris

[Penguin]

Sucks to be him.

As a 15 yr old, Khadr was brought into ranks of the terrorists/insurgency by his father. Thus it is a difficult position for those prosecuting him, as well as for the sake of Canadian-US relations, due to the fact that it can be interpreted that Khadr had no choice and was conditioned/"brainwashed" for battle, or that he fought on his own accord. Also, the records of the battle are sketchy as well, with soldiers' accounts differing as to who actually threw the grenade, and when Khadr was shot in the back.

Think of it this way. If you're a 15 yr old kid, and your dad is a high-ranking terrorist, can you really say no? After that? do you run away or something?

Legally, coercion is not an excuse for murder.

It doesn't really matter though. He'll be released. The guys at guantanamo have no use of him after 3 years of interrogation.

Gitmo's not just about interrogation, you know.

[Bismarck]

So, if people who throw grenades at American soldiers deserve to spend the rest of their lives in jail, what's up with all these elderly German, Italian and Japanese fellows up and walking about, all free and shit?

Why are American soldiers sacred cattle? Are American soldiers allowed to throw grenades at other people and not go to jail forever?

And you're complaining about humanizing "the enemy"? Christ have mercy on us.

It seems to me that once, I believe America stood for a cause, a more just and free society which regarded all humanity as having been made by their Creator with certain inherent dignities and rights. This is what our first army fought and bled for after all, these words written on paper. But failing to even show the respect to our enemy that was shown by Erwin Rommel - who fought under Hitler's orders of all people - has made that ideal buried under miles of childish vengeance seeking and nationalist chest-thumping.

On Judgement Day, when all men are equal, then the truth will be seen and known.

[Penguin]

Say what you want about the Axis powers, at least they had the decency to put on a uniform.

[Burris]

German soldiers were part of a war. Al Qaeda is a multi-national entity with no sovereignty. If someone in FARC killed a Colombian, I'd say I wanted them to rot in jail as well. But just because Al Qaeda is the enemy (I like how you used quotations.... wow) I'm supposed to be okay with this?

This isn't the 1940s, and this isn't the cold war. Those situations are far different than what the US faces today. :rolleyes:

I love how the more these things drag on it goes from killing them, to putting them in jail for life, to now even that being too inhumane.

[Bismarck]

Say what you want about the Axis powers, at least they had the decency to put on a uniform.

Fuck those American minutemen then who dared raise their muskets against the British while wearing their own linens.

[Burris]

Once again, the Americans didn't run on to the boats in Boston Harbour and slit all the throats of the people on board, and were fighting for a defacto sovereign nation...

Using situations form the past doesn't work with modern Terrorism, especially when the idea has been around just a little over a century....

[Bismarck]

German soldiers were part of a war. Al Qaeda is a multi-national entity with no sovereignty. If someone in FARC killed a Colombian, I'd say I wanted them to rot in jail as well. But just because Al Qaeda is the enemy (I like how you used quotations.... wow) I'm supposed to be okay with this?

This isn't the 1940s, and this isn't the cold war. Those situations are far different than what the US faces today. :rolleyes:

I love how the more these things drag on it goes from killing them, to putting them in jail for life, to now even that being too inhumane.

People have rights, Burris. Inherently. That's what this country is supposed to stand for. You can deal with the enemy without feeling the need to dehumanize them as "scum bags."

Because somewhere in the world, to someone else, YOU are that scum bag. And you wouldn't want to be treated a certain way just because they're angry at you.